| By Anonymous on Friday, April 02, 1999 - 04:21 am: Edit |
Does this work? Are there any side effects?
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 1999 - 08:42 am: Edit |
Creatine is awesome! It has worked wonders for me and also a lot of my friends too. There is no known side effects and I haven't experienced any.
| By Todd on Sunday, April 18, 1999 - 06:09 am: Edit |
I'm 17 years old and enjoy weightlifting. I've been thinking about taking creatine but I'm not sure if I should. If I do decide to take it, where can I get it other than from the internet and what are some good brands, not brands that just use filler.
| By Anonymous on Sunday, April 18, 1999 - 07:56 am: Edit |
Yes, you should try it! It is safe and has given me amazing gains. I don't know what stores are in your city but the Internet is way cheaper.
| By Anonymous on Monday, April 19, 1999 - 12:18 am: Edit |
any nutrition store like GNC or doc hollidays sells creatine pretty cheap
EAS, prolab and sport pharma are all good brands but if you ask the person at the store they are usually pretty knowledgeable
| By Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 1999 - 01:07 am: Edit |
is it ok to take monohydrate creatine and HMB even if you have a history of heart problems in the family?
| By Tom on Saturday, May 01, 1999 - 01:12 am: Edit |
I totally agree with Keenan. Bill Phillips is
very objective and uses scientific research to
back up his claims. I use his brand, EAS every day and am very happy with the gains I have
made {15 Lbs of lean muscle mass in 1 yr. Or
the people at GNC seem knowledgeable and can
steer you in the right direction.
| By Jack Baracuda on Sunday, May 02, 1999 - 12:57 am: Edit |
Bill Phillips and EAS are a hoax. They are just another fly by night supplement company using psuedo research bilk the public. Be an aware consumer and learn a little bit about scientific reseach, research design, and the human body. You'll save lots of money by being able to spot frauds like them from a mile away.
| By Anonymous on Monday, May 03, 1999 - 12:32 am: Edit |
What happens if I decide to stop taking creatine?
Will my body have any bad side affects?
| By keenan on Monday, May 03, 1999 - 06:00 am: Edit |
thank you Tom for agreeing with me they took my message off cause I had the number of a different company but I think Bill Phillips is very noligible about suppliments and weightlifting so here is the number again . 1-800-297-9776 it is the number for the book suppliment review volume 3. it is over an inch thick and is totally free {really free} so if you want to learn more about suppliments and training call that # you wont be dissaponted { hurry an call it before they take my message off again}
| By Anonymous on Monday, May 03, 1999 - 11:49 am: Edit |
I think that book is a big advertisement... why else would it be free? They say the supplements that they sell work and the ones they don't suck. What a load of crap.
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, May 04, 1999 - 08:20 am: Edit |
So if I called that number, would they send me a free supplement book? Also, what can I mix creatine with (other than grape juice).
| By keenan on Tuesday, May 04, 1999 - 08:28 am: Edit |
you can mix it with apple juice. and the book is not an adretisment he tells you good things about the other companys but mostly he just tells you imformation about suppliments even the one he doesn't sell. yes that is the number to call if you want the free suppliment book the books great i don't no what your talking about you obviosly have not seen the book
| By Anonymous on Thursday, May 06, 1999 - 05:50 am: Edit |
Creatine is great! My doctor said there is no problem taking it. 1 tps a day and in a few weeks you will see results in strength and size.
| By Relaxx on Friday, May 07, 1999 - 06:50 am: Edit |
If you also want the supplement book, or other free stuff you can always visit eas's web site... eas.com I think...
| By Relaxx on Friday, May 07, 1999 - 06:54 am: Edit |
BTW, I think EAS is an awesome company, definitely worth checking out... Myoplex is kinda expensive, haven't tried it yet... Their Precision Protein is really good, I've been taking it for a month now, the only thing, it's kinda hard to mix if you don't have a blender... Never tried Creatine so I can't comment but I've HEARD that it only gives you strenght (and not Mass) gains... of course, the more strenght you have the MORE weight you can lift, leading to bigger muscles after recovery... hmm...
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12, 1999 - 08:48 pm: Edit |
Try AST
| By Paul on Thursday, May 13, 1999 - 02:26 am: Edit |
On Bodybuilding.com they sell Creatine pills, is anyone taking them right now? I was wondering if it is better because i cant stand the taste of drinking this crap. It works but i cant stand it. I takje it with orange juice, what is the best tasting way?
Thanx
| By Robocop on Friday, May 14, 1999 - 01:44 am: Edit |
I take creatine, tribulus, and andro, can anyone tell me when I should be taking the different supplements, before or after I work out?
| By Moogle2 on Friday, May 14, 1999 - 04:17 am: Edit |
I am 15 years old and I need to get ready for my next football season. I way only 120 lbs at tight end and was wondering what I can take to gain weight AND build muscle strength and mass. Please help a.s.a.p!
| By Jacob on Friday, May 14, 1999 - 08:57 am: Edit |
I have tried the Creatine capsules... gotten amazing results. Easier for me to take also.
| By Cody on Wednesday, September 08, 1999 - 02:58 am: Edit |
I am 17 yrs old and am doing a senior project on bodybuilding supplements. I am curious to know what supplements have worked for you, what you take them for, whether it is to build mass or burn fat, how much do you workout and when you take them, and how long you have been taking them. please e-mail me @ yungxgun@aol.com thank you for your support.
| By Steve on Thursday, September 09, 1999 - 03:37 am: Edit |
I am considering starting a supplement. I am a beginner lifter and very small. 5'10''at 125 lbs. I have lifted in the past and the result is that I only get ripped, and can't gain mass. I am considering creatine, but what's the difference b/w creatine monohydrate and phosphate? which one should I take and what are good brands? Should I take this 30-45 min before working out and drink OJ right after lifting? I will be lifting heavy but how often should I lift? I am new to this and am confused as hell...pls help thanx in advance
| By Anonymous on Thursday, September 09, 1999 - 03:48 am: Edit |
yes creatine monohydrate will help you gain size and strength. go with a reputable brand EAS,Twinlab etc... most important is to take it immediatly after working out when your muscles are ready to absorb nutrients. if you want to get big you must eat more calories than you burn you figure it out. always have a high carb/protein meal within 1 hour of your workouts.
| By Anonymous on Monday, September 13, 1999 - 12:12 am: Edit |
I like creatine cooler from Labrada (www.labrada.com) it is working good for me.
| By E on Monday, September 13, 1999 - 01:58 am: Edit |
Steve, I'm like you when it comes to mass. But since I've used creatine monohydrate I've put on more weight and muscle. Call it water retention or whatever, it works! You might have to experiment to see which kind of creatine works for you ie; powder, liquid, or powder with dextrose (sugars) to improve the uptake. The powder didn't work for me. It gave me stomach cramps and gas. I then went with the ones with dextrose (eas phosphagen hp) and my body responded well with it. The only problem with that was that the stuff was so damn expensive! I respond to liquid creatine as well and been using optimum nutritions' liquid energy creatine. It says fruit punch flavor on the bottle but it tastes like shit! Also there's the talk of needing a loading phase or not needing one. I cycle creatine by taking it for 6 weeks on 2 weeks off then start the loading phase all over again. Everyone is different. Experiment with which works best for you. Good luck!
| By the brain on Monday, September 13, 1999 - 10:03 pm: Edit |
Creatine works but it gives you diahrea and
stomach cramps if you take too much. It can also
strain the kidneys and liver, so cycling it is a
good idea. Also, there is some information that
suggests German Creatine is the purist, due to the
processing method, and creatine produced in other
countries (ie China) may have a great deal of
toxic impu
| By Austin on Friday, September 17, 1999 - 04:19 pm: Edit |
I just go some creatine. Does it really work wonders? I take 1 level teaspoonful every day.
How much water would you want to mix with it?
I hope it works. Any advice would be great. Thank you.
| By Anonymous on Friday, September 17, 1999 - 07:00 pm: Edit |
drink lots of liquids to avoid muscle cramps. It does work for a lot of people, esp if you don't eat a lot of red meat and fish.
| By shaitan on Tuesday, September 21, 1999 - 11:55 pm: Edit |
As far as I have seen, it seems like everyone is talking about cell-tech...don't know if they work for cell-tech or what...from the studies I have read...I have heard cell-tech's products aren't all that...I for myself have been using metabolic nutritions products...I think they make an excellent product...especially their creatine phosphate....I just wanted to throw out there that there are other great products out there....
| By Ryan Haller on Wednesday, September 22, 1999 - 04:24 am: Edit |
I use to wieght train and haven't been lately. I am looking for info on supplements that will build muscle and help lean me back down. I am 5'11" and 193lbs my objective is about 175lbs. Thanx!
| By Austin on Wednesday, September 22, 1999 - 04:31 am: Edit |
I have been using creatine for about 6days. It was made me more pumped up the next day. I feel bigger some times but I think it is too soon. BUT DOES CREATINE BUILD MUSCLE OR JUST GIVE YOU MORE ENERGY TO WEIGHTLIFT LONGER OR BOTH OF THEM. IF SOME ONE WOULD TELL ME, IT WOULD BE GREAT!!! THANKS!!!
| By Tom on Monday, September 27, 1999 - 01:43 am: Edit |
The truth is that creatine works, but the gains you will make will be artificial. You have to keep taking it constantly in order to benefit from it. Need some help reaching your fitness goals or have any other questions? Don't hesitate to e-mail me! God Bless you all! :)
| By Keith on Wednesday, September 29, 1999 - 02:37 pm: Edit |
My gym only stocks Mega-Pro Creatine monohydrate. Is it good ?
| By Anonymous on Thursday, September 30, 1999 - 09:55 pm: Edit |
Actually I think all the creatine monohydrate is just the same.U can choose which is german standard or choose the Cell Tech.
| By Pete on Saturday, October 02, 1999 - 12:32 am: Edit |
I was wondering..do you take creatine on the off days?
| By Shino on Sunday, October 03, 1999 - 09:01 pm: Edit |
Just take it 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off,including the off day.I train 4-5 days a week and also take it on the of day.
| By Keith on Sunday, October 03, 1999 - 09:35 pm: Edit |
its 4 weeks on 2 weeks off, or 6 weeks on and 4 weeks off
| By ScottB on Sunday, October 03, 1999 - 09:44 pm: Edit |
I just started taking micronized creatine..It is the MetRx 99% creatine monohydrate....Is this any differant from regular creatine?? Better or worse?? Does it work Faster or slower??? Any adivce would be greatly appreciated.
| By ScottB on Sunday, October 03, 1999 - 09:48 pm: Edit |
I would like to add one thing about the micronized creatine. When you mix it, even in water, you can't taste a thing. I've heard that creatine has a chalky flavor, but the micronized creatine dissolves very well in liquids
| By Steven on Tuesday, October 05, 1999 - 06:27 pm: Edit |
I'm not able to workout until between 4pm and 6 pm. I've been taking Creatine at 7 am and 3 pm daily. But I've been hearing that it's best to take Creatine AFTER a workout. If I take it twice a day, when would be the best times? Also, I take 2 servings of Whey Protein at approximately the same times. When should I take the Protein?
| By Mr. P on Tuesday, October 05, 1999 - 09:21 pm: Edit |
if creatine is mixed into a protein drink, will it bond with the aminos and thus not get absorbed into the system?
| By Steven on Wednesday, October 06, 1999 - 02:33 am: Edit |
I mix the Creatine with Juice. The Protein with milk.
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, October 06, 1999 - 11:12 pm: Edit |
If u want to get a better result,take creatine with juice.U can also buy the product like Cell -Tech.
| By Jay on Thursday, October 07, 1999 - 04:40 am: Edit |
I've been reading alot on creatine and found most people are unsure of the loading period.
what i did is went to wal-mart bought a 120 gram bottle of 99%pure creatine monohydrate brand name is? swiss Natural source for $7.00 (can) use this for my loading and then i'll move onto something better.
this cheap creatine i've been using has been working great feeling very energized and working out longer but i'm not sure of any gains yet i've only been using it for 3 days.
| By Anonymous on Friday, October 08, 1999 - 11:18 am: Edit |
Take Creatine immediately after a workout. If you don't use Creatine with a Transport System(L-Glutamine), take it with a High Carbo drink.
| By Supp Master on Friday, October 08, 1999 - 03:21 pm: Edit |
What does it do? Creatine (creatine monohydrate) assists in the production of energy and
muscle building processes. Most of the creatine in the body is stored in the muscles as
creatine or in a form called phosphocreatine. Creatine is a quickly available energy source for
muscle contraction. It also increases the synthesis of muscle protein and assists in the
formation of polyamines (powerful growth promoters). Creatine also promotes protein
synthesis.
Where is it found? Animal proteins are the main dietary source of creatine. Supplements in
the form of creatine monohydrate are well absorbed and tolerated by the stomach.
How much should I take? There are two variations for supplementing with creatine. In the
loading method, 20-30 grams of creatine per day (in divided doses) are taken for three to four
days. Muscle creatine levels increase rapidly, which is beneficial if a short-term rise in force
is needed, such as during a weight-lifting competition, football game, or sprinting.
In the other method, 3-5 grams of creatine monohydrate per day are taken over an extended
training period. Muscle creatine levels rise more slowly. This method is useful for athletes
undergoing long-term training, such as bodybuilders and weight lifters during pre-competition
phases. Endurance athletes may also benefit from the improved recovery provided by this
method of taking creatine. Small amounts of creatine (3-5 grams) are best taken within thirty
minutes after training.
Are there any side effects or interactions? Little is known about creatine side effects, but
no consistent toxicity has been reported to date.
Creatine may enhance the effects of other muscle-enhancing nutrients, such as whey protein,
glutamine, and amino acids.
| By mattg on Sunday, October 10, 1999 - 07:34 am: Edit |
Hi, I am a almost 15 y/o male. I am starting to lift weights because i am really fat. I weigh 230 and i am 6 foot tall. I am starting to put the mucsle on and take some of the fat away but i was wanting to know what supplment would be good for me to take. I would like to lose 20 pounds of weight in 3 weeks and turn it into muscles and i figure that a supplment would help me do this. i want to do this because homecoming is in 3 weeks.Which one though? well post a message wiht what you think?
Wirte back fast
| By Crunch on Sunday, October 10, 1999 - 08:01 am: Edit |
Matt G,
For the next 3 weeks, you gotta work at it. 20 lbs is A LOT!! Try several things.
First: Use a Fat Burning Catalyst. Either XENADRINE or HYDROXYCUT.
Second: Low fat diet!! And split your 3 meals into 5 smaller meals. Eat each one approximately 3.5 hours apart. Just eat smaller helpings.
Third: Do aerobic exercises 3-4 times a week, for 30 - 45 minutes. Running, Cycling, Stairstepper, etc...) Make sure you do it on an empty stomach.
Fourth: Drink lots of water!! It fills your stomach, so you're full most of the time. Plus, it comes right back out! If you're using Creatine, it'll help with muscle size too!
Any more questions? Hit me up with an email.
| By Anonymous on Sunday, October 10, 1999 - 08:59 am: Edit |
mattg I agree with crunch, but make sure your diet has a lot of carbohydrates in it. if you want to loose weight, don't eat as many protein. breads and starches will help
| By Anonymous on Sunday, October 10, 1999 - 09:40 pm: Edit |
CREATINE IS THE BEST STUFF. I RECOMMEND IT TO ANYBODY WHO STARTS WORKING OUT.ALSO TRY MESO-TECH AND SOME GLUTIMINE POWDER.
| By Trevin on Sunday, October 10, 1999 - 11:31 pm: Edit |
I have heard that taking creatine puts a lot of strain on the kidneys because of the amount of water you have to consume in order for it work. I would like to know if that is true. I would especaily appreciate a physian's comments who have personal experience with it or have patients who use it or have used it and the results that they have found.
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 1999 - 06:59 am: Edit |
what is the best thing to mix creatin with? i had been mixing with orange juice, it there a better alternative? i plan on buying the premixed variety next go around but for the time being i have a large jar of "just" creatin.
| By KANE on Saturday, October 16, 1999 - 11:52 pm: Edit |
HELLO EVERYONE. I HAVE MADE A DECESION TO TAKE CREATINE. PLEASE HELP ME BY ANSWERING TO MY FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:
1. IS THERE ANY KNOWN SIDE EFFCTS OF CREATINE.
2. OF WHICH COMPANY I SHOULD BUY CREATINE OF.
3. CAN I TAKE CREATINE AND PRO-LAB N-LARGE2 TOGETHER. AND IF I TAKE IT TOGETHER. WILL IT SHOW ANY SIDE EFFECTS TO MY BODY.
PLEASE ANSWER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>>>THANK YOU<<<.
| By Anonymous on Sunday, October 17, 1999 - 08:15 pm: Edit |
Creatine hasn't any side effect,of course u can take it with N-Large.
| By Jordan H on Friday, October 22, 1999 - 11:23 am: Edit |
Does anyone know anything about the new Creatine Serum by Muscle Marketing USA? Is it any good? Does it really do what it says? Any ideas?
| By Anonymous on Saturday, October 23, 1999 - 07:12 pm: Edit |
Are ther any advantages of taking Creatine together with Glutamine??
| By Anonymous on Saturday, October 23, 1999 - 09:12 pm: Edit |
Creatine *DOES* have side effects... However, they are minimal compared to steroids. Some of the side effects are, (worse to less threatening) heart attack, water retention(congenital(sp) heart failure), kidney failure, and increased tension. Due to the fact that creatine hasn't been around for *too* extremely long, they dont' have the long term side effects quite established. The best way to go would be to get the monohydrate(it works better) type of creatine make sure its at least a 98% purity level.
| By Anonymous on Sunday, October 24, 1999 - 02:26 pm: Edit |
Creatine has been around for a long ass time you fuckin idiot! Creatine is found in fish and other sea life. Not to mention a lot of animal proteins. What, you saying that they just started dumping large amounts of creatine into the ocean? Fuckin moron.
| By Anonymous on Monday, October 25, 1999 - 08:54 pm: Edit |
I know this is going to sound stupid but what is creatine?
How does it work?
And how do i use it?
| By Christopher on Monday, November 01, 1999 - 05:41 pm: Edit |
I have been working out for about 1 month now and have been taking two different kinds of protein drinks, glutamine, multi-vitamins, and creatine monohydrate. I have seen an increase in strength, arm size, and my abs have gotten more ripped. If anyone has ANY ADVICE on creatine, glutamine, protein drinks, or anything else, please e-mail me!
| By Steve on Tuesday, November 02, 1999 - 03:40 am: Edit |
I have been taking Cell tech creating for close to 2 months and I have to say it definitely works. I am DEFINITELY stronger than ever before. It took me only 2 months to life the same amount of weight that took me 3 to 4 months to life in highschool a few years ago. My arms are also slightly bigger. My chest also got bigger but is not a signifincant increase. I take creatine right after workout and it even tastes pretty good. The down side? The stuff is EXPENSIVE.
| By takeitalready on Wednesday, November 03, 1999 - 02:58 am: Edit |
BOTTOM LINE.....TAKE CREATINE IF YOU HAVE THE SAME GOALS AS MOST BODYBUILDERS.ie-strength and size. AND FOR GOD SAKES DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY BY LOADING!!!
| By whitetiger on Wednesday, November 03, 1999 - 12:31 pm: Edit |
Hi,
Iam 21yrs old and am looking for the best way too tighten up because the job I have doesn,t involve a lot of effort and their for does,nt require much exercise. So what would you recommend as a good affordable health supplement.
sincerely,
Justin S. mcmillon
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, November 03, 1999 - 05:03 pm: Edit |
I'm just starting to take my first cycle of Creatine does it affect your sex life?
| By Wanna be Jacked on Wednesday, November 03, 1999 - 08:40 pm: Edit |
Im 18 years old and am skinny. I am 5'8 and weigh 140lbs. my goal weight is to be around 175-180lbs in time of course. I eat healthy and high protein foods, but I have no idea how to work out at the gym. No one gives me straight answers on WHAT SUPPLEMENTS TO TAKE, WHEN TO TAKE THEM, HOW MUCH TO TAKE, and biggest of all HOW TO LIFT and WHAT TO LIFT. How many reps, etc; I know to gain mass lift heavy. But HOW MANY REPS. should I do a warm up and warm down period? and how do I do that? What are good BRANDS and SUPPLEMENTS to take? I already know take Creatine, but WHAT KIND, and from WHAT BRAND? I also know to drink protein drinks, but WHAT BRAND and WHAT KIND? Should I take Andro/nor/tribulus/dhea or what?!? I would only be working out 3 days out of the week. Is 3 DAYS TO LITTLE? If so then HOW MANY? Should I take the supplements on OFF DAYS? If so WHICH ONES? I want to gain mass, but I also want to be cut up as well. I want to be like 175-180lbs of mass and be cut up, i dont want to be just solid? Also, is it easier for skinny people to gain muscle rather than a fat person? Just curious. But please SOME ONE help me!! I can't seem to understand what to do because everyone says something different, and this forum is confusing too. PLEASE HELP!! Email me or Post, just HELP!! Thank you,
Paul
| By Anonymous on Thursday, November 04, 1999 - 01:36 am: Edit |
get yourself a personal trainer and read the forums here and on the web about bodybuilding.
| By jimbo on Wednesday, November 10, 1999 - 09:01 pm: Edit |
hey all ive been getting conflicting stories and so i wanted to ask a question
ive heard some people say that things like ripped fuel takenw/ creatine is a good stack
others say the ripped fuel type supps acctually hinder creatines effects when they are taken together.
does anyone have the straight story
| By Pahrumpguru on Friday, November 12, 1999 - 09:34 am: Edit |
Caffiene is supposed to limit creatines capacitity to enhance workout output. I think people who take it with ripped fuel are not getting the true benefits of creatine. You see caffiene will make the stomach more acicdic and this will hurt creatine absorbtion. As far as using them toghter just use take creatine 4 hours after using a caffiene containing product as caffiene half life is four hours and most of it will be out of your system.Hope this helps.
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, November 16, 1999 - 12:16 am: Edit |
I have been working out on and off for a few years in the off seasons. Now I'm interested in doing bodybuilding as my primary sport, and I'm confused about which supplements to take to build size or reduce Fat. I was thinking about buying the hdryoCut stack on this site! Is it any good or a good deal?
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - 08:37 pm: Edit |
Iam currently taking Creatine and possibly supplementing it with Ginkgo Biloba, are there any side affecys to this combination?
| By Pahrumpguru on Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - 10:20 pm: Edit |
This is in response to using creatine I recently read that creatine absorbtion is increased when combining it with ephedrine. This makes since on many levels since it stimulates insulin slightly even without carb intake. So if you can get plain ephedrine take it with your creatine. The creatine ginko combo won't really effect one another. They will both help to enhance your workout however. Creatine will let you lift more by being an ATP donor for energy needed to move heavy weights. Ginkgo will help increase blood flow to the brain which will increase mental alertness and should help you concentrate on your reps better. So this is a good combo to use you can also add l-tyrosine to the ginkgo stack and take it about an hour before your workout this should help your focus. Effective doses of l-tyrosine are 3 grams and ginkgo seems to be around 100-200mg.
| By Pascal on Friday, November 26, 1999 - 05:56 pm: Edit |
I train for about 4,5 years,
I use CREATINE for about 5 months now ...
It's a PERFECT supplement for me :)
My height: 1.96 mtr
My Weight: 232 lbs
No side-effects known for me, anyone suggestions ?
Pascal.
| By mgarofolo on Thursday, December 02, 1999 - 05:18 am: Edit |
-Hey-
I am a 14/m. I am 6'0'' and weigh 245. I am just starting to work out. I am on ultra ripped by weider. I also take Creatine fuel loading drink. I am taking the ultra ripped 30 min. before i work out and the creatine fuel i am taking right after i finish working out. My work out program is mon and thursday chest shoulders triceps and tuesday and friday legs biceps wrists lats and back. am i taking my supplments thw way i should? I am wanting to lose fat and put on muscles. Thanks in advance
matt
| By Daddy knows best! on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 09:23 pm: Edit |
HA HA HA HA HA HA! What's the matter, poo? Poo is another fat piece of shit! Take the advice I gave to that fatass, and do it now! Bodybuilding is my life, so shut the •••• up, homo. Poo.....
Lose your gut!
| By Nicholas D.S on Tuesday, December 07, 1999 - 12:40 pm: Edit |
Hello There,
Could Anyone Tell Me If Getting Creatine Is Worth It?
Because I Started BodyBuilding About 3Months Ago
And I Want To Have More Massive Muscles.
*Will Your Muscles Shrink If You Stop Taking Creatine?
*Is It Worth Taking Creatine?
pls help
| By Nicholas D.S on Tuesday, December 07, 1999 - 12:46 pm: Edit |
Ohh yeah could any experinced/amature body builders give me a hand?
Pls Email Me At ( king.one@ihug.co.nz )
Any Help At All Would Be Much Appriciated
Ive Just Started So Im Thinking Of Using Suppliments Like Protien Powder And Creatine
Pls Email Me And Tell Me If Its Worth It
And If It Is, What Should I Get And How Should I Take It...Thanks Alot
Nicholas D.S
| By BODADDY on Tuesday, December 14, 1999 - 05:43 am: Edit |
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE LOADING IS FOR THE PILLS?
| By Wahyanson on Tuesday, December 14, 1999 - 05:40 pm: Edit |
check the past message and u will know more.
| By Chris on Tuesday, December 14, 1999 - 07:39 pm: Edit |
I am a student at a boarding school in massachusetts. I have been having trouble taking my creatine (Pure monohydrate) 30 mins to a hour before work out because of my tight class and practice schedule. If i take my creatine and 2 hours before my work out or 15 mins will it not give me the same effects?
also i take protien powder (whey- 42g) in the morning and around 9 at night. does this protien compeat with the creatine in the muslces?
| By CrazyJoe on Wednesday, December 15, 1999 - 07:50 am: Edit |
OK, what is the best time to take Creatine? I have heard before workouts so muscle cell can hydrate, therefore causing more pump, and a lot of you say take it AFTER a workout. This is confusing, are we talking two different languages here? I started with the Creatine Mono powder, and have switched to TwinLabs "Fizz Fuel". I like the delivery system better with the fizz, and I take it before workouts, and drink a lot of water DURING the workouts. Also, is there anything else to take with Creatine besides l-glutamine to make it the most effective?
| By malaka on Thursday, December 16, 1999 - 10:42 pm: Edit |
Anyone know cell-techs internet address? I would like to check them out, but cell-tech.com brings up something else.
thanks,
malaka
| By Anonymous on Friday, December 17, 1999 - 05:50 pm: Edit |
I don't think they have a website.
| By John on Sunday, December 19, 1999 - 04:49 pm: Edit |
I'm currently taking Xenadrine to lose bodyfat, which is working. Will creatine effect me for losing the bodyfat? I know creatine works. but I'm trying to lose the bodyfat first.
| By Halfback on Tuesday, December 21, 1999 - 09:27 am: Edit |
I just turned 16 and I have been lifting weights since I was 13. I'm wondering if I should take creatine. A lot of my friends take it and it has been working for some of them. I heard it was totally safe.
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, December 21, 1999 - 02:43 pm: Edit |
test
| By hurtin' on Tuesday, December 21, 1999 - 08:45 pm: Edit |
i am taking creatine right after my work out, but i am so freakin sore the next day i cant hardly move my arms. after i work out, my arms feel floaty and i know i'm screwed the next day. anybody have a suppliment that would help with soreness? all i read is heavey weights to failure equal big muscles. so thats what i try to do.
thanks,
hurtin'
| By Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 01:59 am: Edit |
This might be a dumb question, but is creatine useful if you're doing more of a powerlifting workout, like going at a moderate pace between sets (like a couple of minutes), but lifting as heavy as possible, or is creatine useful only if you're taking no rest in-between sets, or doing lots of supersets or dropsets?
I used creatine and liked it a lot when I was doing lots of dropsets and supersets, and leaving maybe only 30 second between sets. But now I've switched to more powerlifting, and want to know if creatine is still beneficial. Thanks.
| By Halfback on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 02:40 am: Edit |
u can use other peoples advice Anonymous but u really just need to find what works w/you. if resting 30 sec. enough for u then good if not go up to 45sec to a minute. whatever works for u
| By Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 04:57 pm: Edit |
No -- my question is whether creatine is still useful for a powerlifting training (i.e., fewer sets, longer rest between sets, and heavy weights).
| By Pahrumpguru on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 08:09 pm: Edit |
To make creatiine more effective you have a variety of options. One is use enough water. It takes around a 24 ounces or so to dissolve five grams, next is glutamin, you can also use l-taurine, alpha lipoic acid, and a mineral supplement to help improve insulin sensitvity. Some form of carb mixture not too much though try a 5-7% carb soultion with your 24ounces of water, Around 45 grams of carbs, and you can also use a beta antagonist. Such as ephedrine but don't use a caffiene containing product with it. Also protein only competes with creatine absorbtion if taken around the same time. I don't think you'd have to wait longer than 30-45 minutes after taking your creatine to have a protein shake. I think creatine is more effective for a powerlifting type program. Since creatine is needed in anerobic work and it don't get any more anerobic then a set with lower rep ranges. You see a set of twenty seconds done to maximium intensity is purly anerobic. Most bodybuilders trian in the 20-60 second time under tension method. This is both anerobic and glycogenic. Did you know that creatine is a great anticatabolic agent since it is stored in muscle cells and can also be broken down into glucose. Since it is composed of three glycogenic amino acids.
| By Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 09:32 pm: Edit |
Pahrumpguru -- thanks a lot! I really appreciate your sage advice!
| By Anonymous on Thursday, December 23, 1999 - 09:34 pm: Edit |
Pahrumpguru -- By the way, do you suggest any particular brands? I've tried MuscleLinc's Effervescent Creatine Elite and liked it, except it's expensive. Someone told me the Optimum Nutrition's Creatine Liquid Energy is good, but I'd like to know if you or anyone else has a particular favorite. Thanks again.
| By andy on Friday, December 24, 1999 - 07:19 am: Edit |
i'm a 15 year old weightlifter and i started taking that twin-lab chewable's shit and it really didnt work at all! dont try it. but now i think i'm going to go to their powdered creatine. and instead of loading up, how much should i take a day? or do u just take it before every workout..please help guys!!
| By Pahrumpguru on Friday, December 24, 1999 - 10:01 pm: Edit |
I personally like met-rx's new creatine accummalation complex. It is an awesome post workout formulation. They add glutamine in the peptide bonded state which makes it more abosrbable,plus they have 12 grams of creatine per serving, 400mg of alpha lipoic acid, and it's in a high glycemic base. Currently this is my favorite for mass building. If I'm using creatine in a dieting phase. I use five grams of a powdered creatine after my workout with glutamine. As far as powdered brands go I like prolab. Thanks for the compliment.
Andy you could use five grams before you workout if you want, but I'd use it after as well or just after with some sort of high glycemic carb source. I would just take the powder about an hour before lifting if Iwouldn't use a high glycemic carb source before my workout as this will stop growth hormone secretion and stop fat burning. Plus it also will cause your body to crash sooner since your body will be more relient on it's limited carb sources.
| By Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 1999 - 11:30 pm: Edit |
Creatine is fine for initial gains and maybe help u bring up ur lifts(BIG MAYBE), but once u stop using it the weight is gone because it was ALL WATER! any weight left over could be attributed to normal gains u would have made by working out just as hard. if ur looking for real gains, don't waste your time, just work out intensely and hard. don't be such a pussy in with the weights.
| By andy on Saturday, December 25, 1999 - 12:21 am: Edit |
Thanx Pahrumpguru, i have another ? though. if i cycle it, how long would it take for the creatine to exit my system? and i dont understand about the water thing that anonymous is talkin about? let me know, thanx man.
| By Pahrumpguru on Saturday, December 25, 1999 - 07:32 am: Edit |
Alright is what anon is talking about is that creatine helps to increae your weight by pulling water into musckle cells. Is what anon didn't take into consideratuion is that a hydrated muscle not only performs better, but is more likely to grow. Plus the extra water will help you with levearage which in turn allows you to use heavier weight. Plus the fact that creatine helps to replace your creatine stores used in anerobic training and creatine is starting to look good. Having said all this it's not magical and maybe if used in cycles of two months on and one off over a year may net you a little more muscle, but every inch counts for the true bodybuilder. Plus it also is healthy for you and even helps to improve your HDL cholestrol.
As for total creatine depletion probably a couple months since after a month of loading creatine a study has found one month later your creatine stores are still higher after discontinuing it's use.
| By Anonymous on Saturday, December 25, 1999 - 12:37 pm: Edit |
Is 100% Creatine better than the creatine suppliments that extra added stuff, or is the creatine with extra added stuff better?
| By Anonymous on Saturday, December 25, 1999 - 12:41 pm: Edit |
Will cycling creatine make you lose the gains that you made while you are of it? And will you keep the strenght and endurance that you had while you were on it?
| By Anonymous on Saturday, December 25, 1999 - 12:43 pm: Edit |
Do you guys think the l-glutamine powder is worth the price? Does it really work well with creatine?
| By andy on Monday, December 27, 1999 - 04:50 am: Edit |
is it ok to take creatine and a whey protein together? if so, would i take creatine before i workout and then the protein afterwards. let me know whats best or what u think. thanx.later
| By Pahrumpguru on Monday, December 27, 1999 - 07:32 am: Edit |
Alright let's see is creatine with added stuff better yes and no. What is the added stuff. High glycemic carbs well you can always use gatorade or somethig of that nature. Yes even Koolaid. Of course maltodextrine as the carb source is optimal and cheap. If they add glutamin in the peptide form, tuarine, minerals, and alpha lipoic acid then yes stuff added is great, but if it's just sugar there is a more econmical way to go. L-glutamin is a supplement that helps with recover and is good for overall health. I'd take it just for health, but the peptide form is better. Creatine is okay to take 30 or so before a workout. Then after your workout have a protein shake. Other ways to do this is to have a protein shake 30 after you take you're creatine with a post workout carb, So as not to interfer with the digestion of one another. Personally, I think it's best to take creatine with carbs and the other stuff mentioned above post workout and have the protein shake half an hour after that.
| By Anonymous on Monday, December 27, 1999 - 04:55 pm: Edit |
Pahrumpguru: What's your opinion of the loading and maintenance phases? I've read and heard 20-30 grams/day for 5 days to load, and then 5-10 grams/day to maintain. But I've also heard that the loading phase is a marketing ploy, to get us to use (and buy) more creatine. Also, does the amount one should take vary by a person's weight or goals?
Thanks!
| By Pahrumpguru on Monday, December 27, 1999 - 11:43 pm: Edit |
Yes. Personal goals would dictate how much creatine you would use at a given time. I never was really for a loading phase per say, but it does saturate the muscles with creatine faster. In a study it was shown that if you load for five days at 20 grams a day and then maintain at 5 grams for the rest of the month versues using five grams a day for a month each day that at the end you'll have as much creatine stored anyways. So in that aspect loading isn't necessary. For a bodybuilder I think it's more benefical to not load. For a powerlifter with a meet coming up in a week definitly load. As for a persons weight yeah that would make a difference too. I use around ten grams a day when I'm using creatine in a post workout cocktail. I weigh around 200 or so pounds. A women might who weights 120lbs might only need 3-5 grams a day. A 300lb football player 15 grams a day. I recommened this over maintance dosages. Oh, I divide my post workout creatine too. I take five grams with a carb mixture right after and then have my protein shake half an hour after and then an hour later have five more grams of creatine. Since taking too much at ione time can irratate ones stomach.
| By CrazyJoe on Tuesday, December 28, 1999 - 07:40 am: Edit |
Thanks Pahrumpguru! I think my question about when to use Creatine was answered quite well, and if not for experienced people like yourself, a lot of us neophytes would be "pissing against the wind" so to speak. I will continue to use your advice.. you need your own website dedicated to the sport!!
| By Eric Shawn on Wednesday, December 29, 1999 - 08:34 am: Edit |
Hello! I just started working out to gain muscle strenght and lean mass.
I recently purchased Creatine ATP by Weider Nutrition. Label saya it has 5 g of Creatine Monohydrate , 3 g of L. Glutamine and 15 g of protein.
Does anybody have any experience using this supplement? Is it effective as what its label claimed?
Any input is highly appreciated.
Thank you.
| By Carol on Sunday, January 02, 2000 - 07:53 pm: Edit |
Hi Everyone,
I recently got back to training again after a very long layoff. I've been back to the gym since early Sept and have made a good comeback.I am getting quite confused though. I recently started to take Micronized Creatine with HMB and TMG by Met Rx. I was taking it with water and then read all about the grape juice thing for transport etc. I decided to take it with grape juice and then found out you're not supposed to take creatine with grape juice period! I did notice the weight gain and strength on the 6th day. It seemed to diminish after that. The strength was there but I didn't seem as puffy or thristy. The guy that runs the nutritional shop where I train said there was a huge article in one of the the mags about it. I didn't get the reason as I was in a hurry. Can anyone explain this or have you heard anything about it?
Could the change from water to grape juice make the difference? This is my first time taking creatine so any input on this would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Carol
| By Pahrumpguru on Wednesday, January 05, 2000 - 07:55 pm: Edit |
The reason why they tell you not to take creatine with grape juice is because it has fructose in it. This is a low glycemic sugar and although there is some high glycemic dextrose in grape juice the fructose will lessen the insulin response. Also if you consider the fact that the liver has to donate an atp molecule to absorb fructose it really isn't all that great and plus the liver can only use so much of it before it runs out of converting enzymes and then the rest is converted to triglycerides. That is why most recommend using dextrose, but I prefer maltodextrin since a 100 gram serving of it won't suppress your immune system like dextrose will. Also I wouldn't use HMB with any kind of high glycemic carb. It is more of a muscle preservation supplement then a muscle growth supplement. I would use the supplment your taking on a diet phase when carbs are more controled. Unless of course you are dieting now and still want to use sugars after a workout to facilate recovery. In whuich case I'd keep carbs lowish all day and take the supplememt you currently have before a workout and bed. Since insulin levels will be lowest at these times and take a normal creatine supplement mixed in a high glycemic bevarage post workout.
| By Anonymous on Thursday, January 06, 2000 - 12:05 am: Edit |
creatine does work! give it a try people!
| By Carol on Thursday, January 06, 2000 - 02:17 am: Edit |
Thank-You very much Pahrumpguru for answering my question. As for the HMB it is in the supplement that I take already....I am not taking it as an extra. It is Met Rx's Mass Action Creatine with HMB and TMG. It's a great new product which has increased my strength by 40%, although fairly expensive.
Thanks again!
Carol
| By Jerry on Thursday, January 06, 2000 - 09:10 pm: Edit |
I have used Creatine for a week. I made a 30 pound jump on my bench in just 6 days!!! I have been more focused and excited to go to the gym because of my gains. I am what you call a "hardgainer" and now I can finally keep up with my workout partner. If you have not tried it and want gains in strentgh, focus and mass, give it a shot. It can only help.
| By andy on Friday, January 07, 2000 - 04:18 am: Edit |
so what is the best thing to mix creatine with...i first heard that grape juice was good so i started takin it with grape juice...i havent noticed many gains yet...could this be y. r there diff. brands of grape juice that r better than others? please help...thanx.
| By Anonymous on Friday, January 07, 2000 - 07:08 pm: Edit |
Hi guys I bought yesterday Creatine Capsules (Mega Creatine Fuel) each capsule contains 1200mg
the doses is 3-6 capsule per day how can i lode it
Can I open The capsules & dissolve it into water
Pls. Help Me
| By Jerry on Saturday, January 08, 2000 - 12:17 am: Edit |
The best thing to take creatine with is....WATER!!! It may taste like shit but it works alot better that juice. If you can't handle the taste then you don't need to be taking it!!!
| By Pahrumpguru on Saturday, January 08, 2000 - 02:16 am: Edit |
Alright grape juice isn't the besr rhing to use because it contain fructose as I have explained above. Maltodextrin is better also as I hace explained above. As far as the capsules go you can open them and dissolve them in water if you want. As far as using creatine with water it is an okay thing to do, but for post workout you want an insulin spike to increase creatine absorbtion which water alone won't give you.
| By Anonymous on Saturday, January 08, 2000 - 09:39 am: Edit |
Thank You Guys For your Tips, But you didn`t tell me about the Loading Period (6x1200mg=7200mg) 7200mg is not a good idea for Loading So Can i Open 3cap. 4 times per day will give me the loading period , doesn`t it ?
Thank you for your time
| By James on Sunday, January 09, 2000 - 04:16 pm: Edit |
Hello , I don`t Know how to taking creatine & amino because I will take creatine in loading phase , I heard from my friend that Creatine & BCAA or essential aminos shouldn`t taking in the same time unless the free form aminos , So what did you think about that
pls. Help
| By Christopher on Sunday, January 09, 2000 - 10:22 pm: Edit |
Has anyone tried AST Creatine HSC? It tastes pretty good, at least the Juicy Grape does! Anyone had good results with it? Please let me know!
| By andy on Monday, January 10, 2000 - 04:30 am: Edit |
y doesnt my creatine powder dissolve when i mix it with grape juice or water. is this normal?
| By Pahrumpguru on Monday, January 10, 2000 - 08:28 pm: Edit |
Niormal creatine doesn't fully dissolve in water or grape juice because most people don't use enough watewr to dissolve the creatine. It takes around 24 ounces of water to fully dissolve creatine. Yes you can load that way if you want by taking 6 caps three times a day. You really shouldn't use protein with other aminos since they do compete for absorbtion, but if you have a bonded creatine molecule than this is alright. By this I mean it is combined with glutamin or other aminos to form crea???? whatever combo. Creagluta peptide is a good combination that piniccle uses. Met-rx AC also has this combination.
| By Anonymous on Thursday, January 27, 2000 - 06:37 am: Edit |
I've been taking my Creatine in Cap form. 6 Caps, twice a day. I usually take it with Orange Juice. I read that it's fine to take with OJ, but some places I read, the citric acid in OJ depletes the Creatine. So, is it good or bad to take my Creatine/Taurine/Glutamine Caps with my OJ?
Thanks....
| By T-Dawg on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 02:07 am: Edit |
what is the best supplement for a teen
| By Anonymous on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 04:49 am: Edit |
think about it...if the acid in oj destroyed creatine then creatine would never survive in your stomach which as we all know is filled with acid....or something like that....anyways it's ok to take it with oj....but i'd recommmend grape juice.....o and for all of you who want real information on supplements, nutrition and exercise, I suggest you go to www.atozfitness.com and go to their message boards....they have REAL experts who have helped me a great deal......
| By Anonymous on Friday, January 28, 2000 - 09:01 am: Edit |
Damn dick.. it was just a question. Why don't you chill on a brother... ass...
| By Gord on Monday, January 31, 2000 - 09:19 am: Edit |
Is there a possibility of hair loss as a side effect while using creatine?
| By Anonymous on Monday, January 31, 2000 - 08:11 pm: Edit |
Creatine is a 100% safe supplements.I don't think it has any side effect if you cycle it .
| By Glen Wilkans on Tuesday, February 01, 2000 - 07:21 am: Edit |
I've been using creatine for the past 5 years now, and my dick and nutsack and anus has progressively gotten balder. I don't mind. It saves me the trouble of shaving. My nutsack still has about 7 strands of hair on it. I'm hoping they will fall out soon, because I'm getting ready for competition. And you know, the locker room thing. I don't want guys looking at my nutsack in perplexity seeing it with a few strands of hair on it. As for my anus, I'm uncertain. I've got this mirror and it's about 3 inches in circumference, and I checked my anus last night, and I saw some black stuff. I'm not sure whether it was hair or some shit stains on my ass. As for my head, I still have a head full of hair after using creatine for 5 years and counting.
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, February 01, 2000 - 07:40 pm: Edit |
I am taking N-large II. I am confused on how many scoops I should take and how often. I have been studying and feel I should have a shake about every 2-3 hrs. But I am unsure how many scoops at one time. Serving size is 152 gms (4 scoops) and I know I should be taking in about 1 gm per pound. Should I be taking 4 scoops every 2-3 hrs? It says 52 grams of protein. I know how much I need, just unsure how much I am getting. HELP!!!
| By NickYoung on Tuesday, February 01, 2000 - 08:04 pm: Edit |
I am 17 years old and I have lifted wieghts before in my life but i have found that I become very sore after a good days lifting, I have recently started using creatine and I can now go out and lift everyday without even being very sore, does creatine speed up the recovery rate of my muscles? and is it safe to lift wieghts everyday or do i need some time of? Please help thank you...
| By Tony on Thursday, February 03, 2000 - 09:27 pm: Edit |
Well I lifted everyday for about 2 weeks, same bodypart, for an hour and a half each time. I wasn't taking anything at the time. Well anyway, I ended up getting sick and catching a touch of pneumonia. I lost 10 pounds of muscle and could not lift for one month.
| By ian on Thursday, February 03, 2000 - 10:32 pm: Edit |
anon,
i use n large by prolab and take one 1/2 serving (2 scoops) for breakfast, 1/2 after trainig and sometime 1/2 before i go to bed. You then get 26g of protein per serving plus whatever protien you get from your milk. if you want to add soem more protein, i suggest buying a 5lb tub of prolab 100% whey and adding the desired amount.
| By _jason on Saturday, February 05, 2000 - 05:21 am: Edit |
When you work out every day be sure not to work out the same muscle group every day and you won't overtrain.
| By 10 inch dick on Sunday, February 06, 2000 - 05:46 am: Edit |
i have been using creatine for two weeks and my sack and dick have lost most of there hair, but atleast when i jack off or when my girl sucks my dick and nuts hair doesnt get in the way.
| By Glen Wilkans on Sunday, February 06, 2000 - 06:08 am: Edit |
You, too? I guess creatine's the unwanted bodyhair remover of the century!
| By Anonymous on Sunday, February 06, 2000 - 07:34 pm: Edit |
I am 14 Taking Creatine Monohydrate should I have to take CREATINE BOOSTER , Because I read some researches & Reports that says Creatine can stoped Natural Producing after 2 Months & Creatine Booster can Make the creatine Naturally Repreduce
Thanks
| By Anonymous on Sunday, February 06, 2000 - 07:40 pm: Edit |
Does This Works Guys
Creatine Monihydrate like Creatine Fuel , 8 Teaspoons of Sugar , Chomium Picolinate , VitaminC
now you make a complete complex
I think It also Cheap Than CELLTECH
| By Jorge on Sunday, February 06, 2000 - 09:56 pm: Edit |
I know that caffeine dulls the effects that creatine takes on your body. Does smoking while using creatine do the same?
| By Gregg on Monday, February 07, 2000 - 07:47 am: Edit |
I just started lifting. My program goes like so...chest on Mondays, back on Tuesdays, shoulders on Wednesdays, arms on Thursdays, and legs on Fridays. I work each muscle group for about an hour during the workout. I plan to start using eas phosphagen hp soon and also designer protein to gain muscle mass. I am roughly 6 ft. tall and weigh only around 130-140 lbs. Does this program sound like a good one to pack on mass and muscle? I have heard of people gaining 10 lbs during the first week of creatine use. Could I see similar results? Please feel free to comment if you are serious about weight training and knowledge too. Thanks.
| By ian on Monday, February 07, 2000 - 04:16 pm: Edit |
gregg,
first of all, i would split your training up, to something like:-
Mon - chest and triceps
Tues - back
weds - off
Thurs - shoulders and biceps
Fri - legs
You are tehn getting a restday in the week. Better still would be to train one day and rest the next, but that is sometimes difficult with heavey work schedules etc.
As for creatine, you probably would not gain 10 pounds in the first week. It is more likeley that 3 - 6lbs is more realistic for a first time user.
You also need to eat like a pig - quality carbs and proteins, although judging by your stats you have a fast metabolism and don't have to worry to much about eating clean.
Most importantly - train hard, eat lots and sleep lots.
Good luck
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 03:54 am: Edit |
I'm purchasing creatine, that is for sure. I know everyone pretty much has already asked but I need to know. I am currently in high school and I have a tight schedule.
first of all
should I take it every morning? or before workouts? or after?
and
what brand is the best?
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 04:13 pm: Edit |
I Have Gained From Celltech 1000 Pound In DeadLift
Before I was 1000 & Now I am 2000 Pound One Ton
Its Really Works
Thanks For CellTech I really Beleave it is works
| By ian on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 10:38 pm: Edit |
anon,
i would take your creatine in aglass of fruit juice or dextrose powder immediately after you have finished your work out. This is when it will be best absorbed. On non training days take it in the morning as soon as you wake up.
good luck
| By Campbell's Soup on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 10:56 pm: Edit |
How many grams of creatine can your body use until you start to piss it out?
| By Phil Billips on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 11:19 pm: Edit |
Between 5 and 7 grams per day. The loading phase promoted by the sup companies simply makes you reach the bottom of the bottle faster, then off you go to GNC to spend more money. Ive had best results taking it as soon as my workout is finished, then within the next 45 minutes my protien.
| By mackay77.fsnet.co.uk on Wednesday, February 09, 2000 - 11:38 pm: Edit |
please give me your opinion on DYMATIZE creatine and if no good recommend a good safe brand
| By Anonymous on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 04:11 am: Edit |
is pro-lab creatine good? what brands would you reccomend?
| By Anonymous on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 04:13 am: Edit |
I have been hearing a lot lately that pure creatine monohydrate is required to be mixed with grape juice because of the "insulin boost", is this correct or is this just another scam to get you to buy thre special creatine carb mixes?
| By a. powers on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 05:56 am: Edit |
Nope, it's not a scam. Creatine absorption has been shown to increase as much as 60% when injested with simple sugars. To a search at the American Journal of Physiology and there are several studies to prove it.
| By B.diamond on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 06:11 am: Edit |
I recently purchased some Met-Rx Micronized Creatine for a very cheap price...is this stuff any good or is it just a waste?
| By Anonymous on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 06:50 am: Edit |
Is there anything wrong with takin the fruit punch flavored creatine as long as it contains 5 and a half grams of creatine monohydrate in each serving.
| By Anonymous on Thursday, February 10, 2000 - 08:03 pm: Edit |
Do you really wanna pay extra just so your creatine tastes like fruit punch??
| By Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 02:59 am: Edit |
Can anyone tell how much grape juice should I use to mix 5g creatine??
| By Boogieman on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 03:30 am: Edit |
Im a 16 year old and weigh about 210lbs , 178centimeters tall, when i started training i was training monday-friday and the same program everyday, warmed-up, then whole upper body one muscle group at the time, then lower body finishing off with abs and lower back. Was eating like 20g protein,60carb 1 hour before and half an hour after training. After 2 weeks i started gettin bigger everywhere, and after 4 weeks i got little red "lines" over my bi's and lots on my waist and front-thighs. Someone told me that the muscles were growing to fast for the skin or something. After that i changed to this. 30 minutes spinning (im trying to lose some fat)
then 5 minutes on this arm-bicycle thing where you work the whole upperbody, but just lightly.
Then abs and lowerback. Would it help me to use creatine? Anybody knows anything about these red lines where the muscles have grown ? They are really ugly....
| By Boogieman on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 03:34 am: Edit |
Also, if i am to use creatine will it make the muscles big if im not pumping them ?
Like only using the arm-cycle thing?
I really dont want that much mass, just strength
and ripped.
I fi were to use creatine what is good ?
5g half an hour before a pass?
5g 3 times a day ?
What do they mean on an empty stomach ?
You can't eat all day or what ?
Can someone explain please...
| By Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 06:59 am: Edit |
Those are stretch marks frome getting big quick or frome poor dieting. Don't worry about them. they are kinda cool. Put some lotion or retin a on them. That should help. Get your diet in check before you start creatine. Musletech is pretty good and it tells you how to take it on the bottle.
| By Boogieman on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 11:08 am: Edit |
How do i take the creatine on an empty stomach
three times a day ?
Or should i take it one hour before training
on an empty stomach ?
What happens if i eat anything ?
| By Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 03:05 pm: Edit |
You can Eat With Creatine some Carbs But Avoid Any Protein Source Because The Amino Acids (Except The Free Form ) Decrease the Absourbation of it so the Best weight is
30 Minute Before Break Fast
30 Before Workout
10 After Workout
Don`t Forget to Drink A plenty Of water
| By Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 09:48 pm: Edit |
Can anyone tell me which creatine is best?
Ive used Celltech but havn't really got any results.
Also why does it taste like SHIT & make you wanna puke.
Is Taraxatone only intended for short term use only.Im coming to the end of my bottle & want to know if should lay off it for a while.
Plus any feedback on xenadrine
Finally, is it me or does taking Whey protein make you FART alot ?????
Any response
Cheers !
| By R&D on Friday, February 11, 2000 - 10:50 pm: Edit |
Creatine is something very subjective. Some individuals may find they like the taste, but if has no real results. Or just the opposite is true, they hate the taste but they have no results. As far as Cell Tech, goes I have never taken it, and I don't know that if for it's price it is worth it, especially since for about $40, you only get 20 servings and will have to buy more before the month is out.
But, I have taken EAS Phosphagen HP and Pro Performance. It is difficult to discern the results, however, as I follow a highly effective protein diet and workout constantly, as well as using Hydroxycut. Do not rely solely upon the creatine to make gains. You first need a good diet, and then worry about the supplements. If you're diet is good, then the gains will come.
Xenadrine works, but I can not compare the results of hydroxycut with Xenadrine as I am on my first trial run of it. Xenadrine worked well. It helped cut the extra fat, but since I use a supplement and a good diet, I cannot determine whether the supplement worked effectively, or it was simply attributed to a good diet. Overall, you should look at the evidence of friends or bodybuilders (perhaps at your gym) to find a brand that works for you, as creatine absorption and results vary from individual to individual.
Protein has that nasty effect, especially if I have taken Hydroxycut prior to eating eggs and cereal or something with protein. It isn't a common occurence, but it can happen from time to time.
I don't know anything about the Taraxatone, so I am going to leave that open to someone else. But as far as the Xenadrine goes, it is good stuff, fairly similar to Hydroxycut. And creatine, well to each his, with some more effective than others. Ask around, but I like Phosphagen HP and Met-RX. They're less expensive than Cell Tech and still just effective especially with a good diet and program.
R&D
| By rattler on Sunday, February 13, 2000 - 05:07 am: Edit |
the reason you dont take creatine with orange juice is because of the sugar......it causes a sugar spike and does not make the "pump" from creatine last as long
| By Anonymous on Sunday, February 13, 2000 - 03:26 pm: Edit |
where the •••• do you get your information???!!!
| By R&D on Monday, February 14, 2000 - 02:37 am: Edit |
Creatine with sugar and carbohydrates are quite necessary for maximum growth and creatine uptake. By activating insulin release with sugar and carbohydrates, you maximize creatine uptake, decrease protein degradation, and minimize muscle breakdown. Insulin, in its very basic state, helps maintain and prevent muscle breakdown through its inflow and outflow.
Creatine, as many know, causes cells to swell and the muscle to reach maximum volume. This maximum volume is the optimal anabolic environment for muscle growth. Studies have indicated that as much as 100g of carbs should be consumed prior to a workout to aid in the release of insulin and prevent protein degradation. Creatine consumption can then occur, and following a few hours, a protein supplement.
By doing so, you can maximize the effects of creatine and your workouts. Protein synthesis and degradaton occur at the same time, and insulin release with carbohydrate consumption has to bring this degradation/synthesis to an equal footing.
Evidence, like this, can be found all over the net, in technical terms, or even magazines.
R&D
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, February 15, 2000 - 05:57 am: Edit |
Should u consum alot of water right before of after u take the creatine
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, February 15, 2000 - 08:37 am: Edit |
Give your body about 30 minutes to digest the creatine. Then drink all the water you want.
| By Wubby on Tuesday, February 15, 2000 - 08:53 am: Edit |
Meow! Meow! Puuuurrrr!!!
| By R&D on Wednesday, February 16, 2000 - 01:51 am: Edit |
Water consumption is an important fact of lifting and creatine consumption. When, or how much water you take is relatively insignificant as long as you're consuming 100-120 ounces a day. I take my creatine (Phosphagen HP) with water, whatever amount tastes good. There's no point to make yourself full or sick by taking it, just drink it in moderation, like 20 ounce bottles throughout the day.
It is easiest to carry a water bottle with you all day and just drink that. When you finally digest the water and creatine, drink more, because I am sure as quickly as water goes in, it comes out.
Most people are aware that creatine vasculates your muscles and draws water into your muscles. However, many do not know that the optimum environment for muscular development is full, pumped muscles (which is why your muscles are following a workout). This is the optimum anabolic environment, and studies have also shown that creatine aids protein synthesis 3x greater than without it. Much research has been conducted to refute the obvious assumption that all it does is pump up your muscles with water.
Granted, it does do that, but many people who overtrain and use creatine will find that their loss of weight and gain of mass is due to additional water in their muscles, and not lean mass. More research needs to be conducted, but creatine is much more potent than expected and more than just a simple bloating compound. To research more on creatine and its interaction with the body go to www.ast-ss.com .
R&D
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2000 - 08:46 pm: Edit |
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| By Chris on Wednesday, February 16, 2000 - 08:54 pm: Edit |
I've noticed two distinct forms of creatine intake. Depending on the product, some powders (the pure stuff)that you mix with grape juice or "your favorite beverage" and then the stuff like Cre-X8 that comes with a bunch of other stuff along with the creatine, including tons of sugar. Which product is better? Is it the Creatine alone, or the one that supplies you with the mass of sugar on top?
I also want to know how necessary is it to load on creatine in the initial stages of its use? If loading is required, how many grams are considered loading compared to your everyday usage of creatine?
Thirdly, is there any repurcussions in taking a creatine drink while eating at the same time? I generally have breakfast minutes after I get up in the morning, usually oatmeal. Is the food consumption going to have any effect on my body's ability to absorb the creatine from that sitting?
Basically I'm trying to work up to the optimum absorption from this stuff and I'm trying to horde all the advice I can.
| By R&D on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 02:29 am: Edit |
I take EAS phosphagen HP. It contains (what is believed to be) the necessary amount of carbs and protein for maximum uptake. Personally, the creatine that is strictly pure generally costs less and offers more at a better value. Yet, studies have confirmed that certain, additional nutrients must be consumed with creatine to maximize its uptake, and one of these is carbs and the other sugar.
Carbs and sugar both trigger the release of insulin, which carries the nutrients to muscle cells. Studies and findings vary as to the amount of carbs that should be ingested to maximize its uptake (some where between 30-100g).
The loading stage has since been nearly refuted. Many companies still state that the loading stage is a requirement, however, as is typical with the body, it will be come accustomed to creatine consumption and the gains will begin to taper off. So, in essence, to avoid that subsequent loss of gains with creatine, I would recommend taking 1-2 servings a day. I take 2 on days that I work out and 1 on the days that I don't. This way, the uptake of creatine is maximized. (Techinical and physiological reports of exact detail can be found at www.ast-ss.com)
As long as you don't consume too much protein with the creatine, you will maximize its uptake as well. If you do consume a protein supplement or a large amount of protein, its uptake will be diminished as your body digests protein. I take creatine right after a workout with about 8-20oz of water, depending on how thirsty. By the time I am done and settled from the gym, I am able to eat withouth being full from h20. As long as you consume protein within 30 minutes to an hour, you will still be feeding your needy muscles with a much required blast of energy and protein. Generally, I make my creatine a separate drink from a meal, unlike my protein supplement, which I consume with dinner or some other meal.
1. Respected, researched brands who have been around awhile know what they are doing. (EAS has been producing creatine for over 6 years).
2. The loading phase is not a required part of creatine supplementation.
3. Consume creatine as a separate drink, prior to protein supplementation to maximize its uptake.
Other Supplements that work well are L-Glutamine, Meal Replacement Powders, and Protein Supplements. ECA stacks are hot, too. You might want to consider these as you workout, or progress in the future with natural bodybuilding supplementation.
Good Luck, and God Speed
| By PZAPAZ on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 10:23 am: Edit |
If your going to use creatine use 100%pure creatine.reason one its a hell of alot cheaper.reason two and more importantly creatine is heavier than the carbs they mix them with so the label might say your getting 5 grams of creatine 45carbs when actually you might be getting 2 grams of creatine 80carbs per serving.each seving might be totally different each time you take it.Iagree with R&D carbs and creatine first after a workout(i would also include glutamine with that drink)than 30 to 45 minutes later i would have aprotien drink.i forgot to mention with yhe pure creatine powder mix it with 100%grape juice (make sure its 100% juice) (N.Y DONT DIE)peace!
| By PZAPAZ on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 10:28 am: Edit |
P.S dont waste your dough on cretine or any other supplement ifyour not eating right or not getting enough vitamins&minerals.if you can afford only one supplement protien is where its at.
| By Chris on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 06:23 pm: Edit |
When you say you take 2 servings a day on workout days and 1 when you aren't, what amount of creatine constitutes one serving for you?
The creatine supplement I'm on right now is 5.5 grams of creatine per serving (with 500 ml of "your favorite beverage"-guess I can't take creatine with beer!) I'm told that 10grams of creatine is ideal a day, is that too much or too little, or just right?
| By Chris on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 10:37 pm: Edit |
I've got to pick up a vitamin supplement package as well, what's the best blend of vitamins that i should look for. I've been told lots of B vitamin complexes are ideal, but are the others that I should be concerned with?
Secondly, what is the best way to spike insulin along with simple carbs while taking creatine? I've been told that simply eating sugar 10-15 min before my workout will do that for me, but I'm not 100% sure on the source of that. Is it necessary to spike insulin with creatine?
And lastly,I've heard that carbo loading with the creatine is good, 60-100 grams ideal. The only way I can see doing this before a workout is another carb drink, but is there another way, or better way of accomplishing the carb loading? Is it necessary to carb up with the creatine simultaneously, if not, how long before the workout should I get those carbs in?
| By Chris on Thursday, February 17, 2000 - 10:42 pm: Edit |
And one last thing while I plague this place with my posts, is there a benefit supplementing on Ephedrine while taking Creatine, and if so what?
| By sandman on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 04:44 am: Edit |
could someone that knows help me please....i have a question about the shelf life..of un opened creatine,should i buy it in small quanities,,or is 2000grams to much to keep on hand....
| By Sid on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 09:36 am: Edit |
I recently started using creatine. I started the loading phase on Monday of this week. I lift hard mon-fri for about an hour, doing chest on monday, back on tuesday, shoulders on wed, arms on thurs, and legs on friday. I also quit smoking and quit any intake of caffeine. I also drastically cut back my alcohol intake. I no longer drink during the week and little if any on the weekends. I try and eat right every meal, but its hard seeing I am a college student and also employed (not much free time) but i do my best to eat meat and stay away from junk food. I am also using Designer Protein to help with building mass and muscle size. I am about 6' and only around 130 right now with a skinny build with little muscle mass. Also, I have never seriously lifted before now. Am I doing everything right? and will I get results by working hard? and how soon? what kind of results?
| By R&D on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:20 pm: Edit |
Alright to Chris.
A serving of creatine for me is 1 scoop of EAS phosphagen HP. It contains 5.25g of HPCE creatine, which I take twice on days I work for a workout pump and an after workout recovery to maximize growth. On my days off, I take 1, maybe none at all. As I mentioned before, the body can become used to creatine supplementation and gains will taper off, which is why they advocate doing it in cycles.
Depending on what type of creatine you buy will determine what you mix it with. Phosphagen HP comes in flavors and it tastes great strictly in water.
An insulin spike or increased production will generally occur when the body absorbs or takes in a large quantity of carbohydrates. An insulin, a carrier of nutrients to muscles, will bring that much needed creatine to your muscles, as well protein, but try not to consume protein and creatine at the same time, as it will affects it absorption.
If you want, you can drink an additional carb drink, or mix the creatine with it if it is that kind. Or, find some other source. Most creatines with flavor have some level of carbs, so it is unnecessary to consume more at that point. More carbs can be consumed when you eat your protein about 30-45 minutes after creatine consumption. Research has pointed the finger at consuming creatine and cards about 10 minutes before your workout ends, or consuming carbs before it ends, spiking insulin levels and optimizing the uptake of creatine.
As far as vitamin supplements, I am not as knowledgable. Zinc and Magnesium supplements aid in the increase of testosterone levels, which is where ZMA fuel comes in, so you could try supplementing your diet with Zinc and Magnesium, or simply buy ZMA fuel. Many bodybuilders will use multivitamins, or vitamin C pills as well. So you're options based on what you want to pay and the results you would like to get. I would recommend searching the net further, or looking at some magazines, even perhaps asking a GNC clerk, because in most cases, that is what they will and should know the most about.
I supplement with ECA stacks (Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin). They work great at boosting your workouts and energy, but at the same time can zap energy if you're not eating. So by taking them, you had better be eating, or you will end up sacrificing muscle and energy. Many atimes I have taken some Hydroxycut only to miss eating and begin working out and find myself at a lack of energy. For those people who believe that by taking ECA stacks you'll shed a shit load of pounds without eating, you're fooling yourself. You have to eat. It is the only way to keep the metabolism and obtain the maximium benefit from it.
It is tough to cut fat and build muscle, but it can be done and by using an ECA stack it makes that goal more realistic and possible.
Typically I will have 4 Hydroxycut capsules a half hour before I eat in morning and once again before I lift, perhaps lowering the dosage. I will take my creatine during my off day at any time. And protein supplementation generally at 3 meals, perhaps along side a tuna fish sandwish or 2 and some yogurt, fruit, or cottage cheese.
To sandman.
2000g? Holy shit. Where have you been able to find that much pure creatine? To be honest, I do not know about the shelf life. I have heard up to 2 years, but I may be wrong. That, I would inquire with the person you're purchasing it from.
To Sid.
Good Luck to you. I too am in college. I have been lifting for about 3 years now. I supplement with Creatine, Protein, and Hydroxycut. I understand that eating while in college is hard. Foregoing alcohol can be harder, especially if you're friends are out the door on their way to a party. But, it is very good and honorable of you to give up everything that was once a detriment to your health.
To start, try to stick with water. It is best for you, and you will acquire a taste that will eventually override all urges for caffeine and alcohol. It may take time, but it will come. I used to drink up to 1 liter of soda in 2 days. Now I am hooked to water.
However, it is ok after several weeks of sticking to a plan and program to splurge and cheat one day (within reason). Perhaps drink one night, or eat a pizza, it will keep you sane and allow your body to still think that it may get fat, prompting it to burn more fat.
At 6 feet and 130lbs, you should be focusing on gaining weight. As important as cardio is, those precious calories you would burn running or riding, you can use. I would assume you already have a high metabolism, so you should be eating big and healthy. [I.e Chicken breast, with a potatoe, protein shake and fruit.]
Meals with a high amount of protein and carbs are your goal, about 500-600 calories per meal at about 6 meals per day or every 2 hours, which ever is greater. Because if you're like me, you're up for awhile and 6 meals won't touch you. So try about every 2-3 hours from the time you get up.
You want to consume excess calories, especially in the form of protein and carbs, so that your muscles will have extra to work with since you burn it so quick.
Depending on your diet, program and intensity, you would see gains in about 3 weeks. But, proper nutrition and calorie intake will determine how well you gain muscle. Do some further research to see about people who have high metabolisms at such a low body weight.
You're program seems good, and with that seperation, you can lift more intensely each day, aiding in development. Your legs are important, and many people who don't experience gains tend to overlook this aspect. First, it is a good source of strength. It evens you out, so as to avoid a 'chicken leg' look. It helps work your butt. And it is the largest supply of testosterone in your body, so by working your legs, you'll be able to increase testosterone and feel pumped after you're done, throughout your body.
As a college student, I am sure it is hard to find food. If you live on campus, find protein at your cafeteria and have meals made and bring them back for later so you always have something available. If not, maybe you want to look into meal replacements. If you live at home, look at boiling eggs for later, and eat eggs whites. Cottage cheese. Some cereals have a good source of protein, fiber, and carbs. Fish. Steak. Some how, you can find them at school or home, because you can't live off pizza alone.
But stick to the program, and if after a little more than month and you don't see results, change it or consult a personal trainer. Good Luck and God Speed.
R&D
| By R&D on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:31 pm: Edit |
As far as EAS supplements go, and without being a promoter of them, I have gotten nothing but good results. I have in the matter of few weeks on protein supplementation and a good diet, increased my bicep strength alone, by 10lbs, and added several inches. Since doing creatine, specifically EAS once again, I am recovering quicker and seeing gains faster. Plus, my body is pumped all the while it grows.
So I can't complain about the results. Many don't move so quickly, except by AS. I trust Bill Phillips, and wouldn't go to anyone. Yes, he advertises quite a bit, but that is the philosophy of any great company. Nike, Benz, Intel. They're products can be high priced, but wouldn't pay for Nikes over some other random brand? Or buy a Benz or BMW over some cheap Hyundai for instance? He advertises with bodybuilders that are natural, not muscle bound, steroids freaks like MuscleTech. Gains like that are impossible unless you're sticking your ass with a needle everyday, and even then creatine is going to have little effect when you're juicing.
They're the only reputable company, excluding Met-Rx, that gets their name out there and has a large part of the customer confidence of the supplements. They provide a multitude of products at quality prices. Perhaps some of his products do not coincide with your personal beliefs and lifting program, but they are great products for those that do choose them.
So, you could say Bill Phillips is the Bill Gates of the supplement industry, and like Gates, he may •••• up (like with Windows 2000). But, for the most partm he puts out products that are for the consumer and work. Look around and find a company more wholly dedicated to the average bodybuilder and we can talk. And profits and money are the goal of every company, some just offer higher prices for higher quality products.
R&D
| By PZAPAZ on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:43 pm: Edit |
first of all SID read my above response(pzapaz THURS.17TH)THE MAIN THING IS TO EAT RIGHT ifyou dont eat right all the creatine in the world wont help.First take a good multi vitamin and extra C&E around 2-3grams of C and 800 IU's of E(make sure there in caps not tabs )second eat at least 5 6 is even better meals a day (this is were protien drinks or meal replacements come in handy) it's important to get at least one gram of protien per pound of body weight but one a half two even better(you said you weigh 130 lbs so get 130 to200 grams protien a day)try and space meals eevery 2-3 hours to keep constant influx of nutrients also you should get enough carbs and fat in each meal(35%protien,50%-55%carbs 15%-10%fat )if you have protien shake take after workout with carbs(simple carbs dextrose glucose such as a banana or grape juice make sure its 100% juice) take the other drink before bed without carbs thatleaves only 4 whole meals a day.Next cut back in the gym ilove to lift as much as the next guy but try (mon)chest-tris-calves(tues)legs- abs(off weds)(thurs)back-biceps-calves (fri)shoulders-traps-abs and take sat off start sun all over again but the next week take two 2 days off after shoulder day and go back and forth.Sleep is real important too try for 8 hours a night if possible and if you really want a boost when you wake up at night to go to the bathroom drink a protien shake then it really works.Spend your money on the vitamins i said also get some form of protien prefferably whey it doesnt have to be the most expensive one but get the kind that miwes with a spoon its convient.also try glutamine.its more important then creatine.creatine is a luxury that works for some (it works for me but not my friend )I hope this helps you out it truly works i lifted for a year at 5'11 155lbs took creatine lifted too much like you but nothing happened,but as soon as i began eating properly taking vitamins,protien, glutamine training properly within two years i now weigh 210 at 5'11 and my strengh improved dramaticly.please keep me updated on your progress at this same site.hope to hear from you again. (N.Y.P.R.I.D.E.)
| By PZAPAZ on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:50 pm: Edit |
dont take any form of caffiene while taking creatine its a diuretic and negates almost all of the creatine you take.
| By PZAPAZ on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 12:51 pm: Edit |
R&D read my post about EAS on the EAS post (D.K.O.S)
| By R&D on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 11:40 pm: Edit |
I agree with you PZAPAZ about good nutrition and all your advice as far as supplements go. No amount of lifting or supplementation can compensate for a bad diet. However, there are some supplements that are better than others. I have found that most people obtain their essential nutrients through a healthy diet, particularly the ones that are lifting to gain weight. As far as people trying to lose fat, it becomes more difficult. They often forego foods that have essential nutrients, which can harm their programs. But in the few weeks that I went back on protein supplements and creatine, I have gained so much more than I would have without. Yet, at the bottom of the pyramid lies good nutrion. Atop that, protein and respected supplements. Atop that, supplements that might work. So as long as you have your priorities in line and research nutrition and supplements, you should have know problem accomplishing your goals.
I used to be a fat butterball of 180 lbs @ 5'10". I dropped 30lbs, and then gained 35 more in muscle and minor fat. This is attributed, naturally, to a good diet, creatine and protein supplementation, and a good workout program. I prioritized with creatine and protein, and will eventually add glutamine as well.
So we're sound in our agreement of program, nutrition, etc. PZAPAZ, which I admire and respect. Supplementation is another story, but not entirely. That I will continue at the EAS post. Peace. Much Love.
R&D
| By PZAPAZ on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 02:39 am: Edit |
to R&D:i,m glad you agree on the nutrition and training part on what i wrote but since you don,t agree on the supplementation i will and try to sway you on the glutamine part.I to agree that creatine works great but all the articles i read about glutamine seam to agree that glutamine is more important.They say that at least 60% of all muscle amino stores are in the form of glutamine.They(when i say"they" I meen MUSCLE MEDIA, FLEX ,MUSCLE-FITNESS,ETC.)also say that after lifting that glutamine is streaming out the muscle which makes it a very catabolic enviroment.Glutamine enhances protien synthesis,raises gh levels,cell volumizes,nitrogen retention,blocks cortisol andis anti proteolysis.I don't whant you to stop taking creatine but since it should be cycled anyway give glutamine a try i'm sure you'll be pleased with the results (results are seen over a period of time not as fast as creatine but well worth it)iknow i was.Also try adding glutamine with your creatine and you'll really feel a pump.Lastly glutamine doesn't need to be cycled so take it year round and i'm sure you'll be pleased with the results i know i am.thanks for your time R%D i always like chatting with someone who is knowlegable as yourself hope to hear from you again.(N.Y.P.R.I.D.E.)
| By JIM on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 02:44 am: Edit |
Pertaining to shelf life; creatine is good for up
to six months to a year depending on how it is
packaged and how much moisture it is exposed to.
Make sure it is vacuum sealed when you buy it!
Always put the lid on tight and keep it away
from heat and cold. A constant temperature is
ideal.
JIM Alternativenutrition.net
| By R&D on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 06:23 am: Edit |
PZAPAZ.
I agree L-Glutamine is a more reasonable supplement, and more important. You cannot expect to build muscle without essential amino acids for construction, and if you're muslces are constantly fatigued, or there is more muscle breakdown and protein degeneration than protein synthesis, then your efforts at the gym are futile.
I restocked on EAS because, for the most part I do cycle it, but evidence has finally, provided strong research that it was necessary. And, it is one of the supplements that, in most cases, does not need further research, as it is evident that it is required for muscle building properties. However, on the flip side, creatine still has some undiscovered benefits.
I even had a guy at GNC looking to buy a supplement for building muscle. The clerk at GNC (who was really nice), knew only about GNC's products and couldn't help the guy. I asked the guy if he would try creatine (he was a scrawny guy, too). His response was that he was afraid of liver damage. And what was his other choice? Androstenedione. Personally, I haven't heard of one person gaining anything from it except the side effects of testosterone (but little, to no muscle gains). And most studies will refute its effectiveness. I have heard of small benefits from the diol, but nothing conclusive like creatine and L-glutamine. Before you move on to the bigger, more expensive supplements, establish a base of essential supplements and nutrients.
I busy buying my own products (I couldn't entirely help someone who wasn't listening anyway and hadn't done his homework), so I am not sure what he ended up buying. But, the moral is, do your research, because no one can tell you what will work for your body, and even scientific research may not suit your body. And, GNC clerks don't always know what they're talking about. I still buy from them, but I won't go in with the intention of buying and EAS or Muscletech product and walk out with a GNC product. Most, are not bodybuilders, they only know what is the products. That's well and good, but there is no real world experience in that. If you happen upon a man or woman in great shape working there, great! Maybe they have some insight into how they did it. More often than not, it was time, dedication and good nutrition. Sometimes we need a boost to get us on that track, but once you do, don't stop. You should not base your success on AS or supplements either, because even though you run out, you're not going to lose anything, except the psychological connection to it assuming that it was solely the product giving you gains.
Anything you have ever worked for never came through cheating or finding short cuts, only added help. You can't be a doctor if you're taking cheat sheets and copying papers while in med school, and in the same light, you can't succeed if you think that supplements are the only way it can be done. Buying tons of them won't make it easier, and in some cases it will make it harder. You'll be confused, and some might not work well togther. So, Good Luck. God Speed. Peace. And Much Love. (I look forward to your comments, and hearing from you as well PZAPAZ).
R&D
| By Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 06:35 am: Edit |
Hey R&D...you seem very knowledgable about supplements, but what about the actual lifting part of bodybuilding? What kind of workout program are you currently using and what does it look like? How's it working for you?
| By R&D on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 08:19 am: Edit |
Exactly. That is the other part to lifting. I have changed it often, which is the trick to fooling your muscles and growing.
When I first began lifting, I started out naive and unintelligent. I used to lift according to:
Back - Biceps
3-4 Exercises at about 3 sets and 10 reps
Chest - Shoulders - Triceps
3-4 Exercises at about 3 sets and 10 reps
At that point, I wasn't doing legs, which is an integral part of lifting. No only does it provide a solid foundation, even out your frame, but, your strength most often will come from that. Whether you're playing football, wrestling, or just plain goofing around, the guy who has a better foundation will win hands down. I am as big as most people I will wrestle and goof around with, but if my legs didn't get bigger, I wouldn't have a chance. I mean, I wrestle people that have bigger legs, and if they're stable, I can't move them. How much you bench won't have as much as an effect as how strong your legs are. So, incorporate a legs day and 4-5 exercises for it and some cardio (like 20-30 minutes).
My personal workout now, is very effective.
1st Workout - Back Biceps
Lat Pulldown
Seated Rows
Bent Over Barbell Rows
Iso-lateral Pulldowns
Biceps Curls
Hammer Curls
Cable Barbell Curls
*I will do 10, 8, 6, 4, and 2.
*Sometimes I throw and additional 12 of any weight I will fatigue at.
*Certain weights I do more reps. But as long as I feel the burn and fatigue and push myself to more weight, I have done a good workout.
*I will follow that with abs and 20 minutes of cardio.
Chest - Shoulders - Triceps
Barbell Bench Press
Bench Press
Dumbbell Flies
Decline Bench
Front Raises
Side Raises
Delt Barbell Raises
Tricep Dips (Bench)
Tricep KickBacks
OverHead Tricep Dumbbell Raises
Skull Crushers
*I will do 20 minutes of cardio depending on my energy levels.
*Typically I do them in that order, and as long as I am fatigued and push myself to a new weight, it was a good workout.
Legs - Abs
Leg Press Machine
Quadricep Raises
Squats
Hamstrings
Calve Dips
Crunches (50)
Cross Crunches (Obliques) (25 each side)
*Cardio Will follow at 20 minutes.
I probably hate cardio as much as the next person, but I try and find something that I enjoy for that time period with head phones. It is easy to get done, especially on machines that can focus oh muscles like you gluteus maximus (your butt, which attracts the ladies). So time would go by quick. The workout has been great. It has produced my best gains quickest. I will take creatine when I get back home and then have some protein and a meal about 30 minutes afterward.
Typically, I will change the program based on my goals. So, down the road, I might change a few exercises and drop reps fro max weight. Right, Now I am trying to replace any fat with muscle and some strength. Every couple of months cycle programs and supplements.
Or if I want cut, drop weight and increase reps.
Good Luck. God Speed. See ya. Much Love.
R&D
| By Anonymous on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 08:26 am: Edit |
Sounds good bro. Thanks.
| By PZAPAZ on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 09:24 am: Edit |
RE:R&d i totally agree on the gnc lack of knowledge but what can you expect from someone who is probaly making minumum wage.I'm not making excuses for there lack of knowledge but as with most things in life you get what you pay for and gnc employees are no different.i also don't like them trying to push the house brand(GNC)on me when i know what i want( "THIS PRODUCT IS JUST AS GOOD AND IS CHEAPER THAN THE THE EAS PRODUCT YOU WERE LOOKING TO BUY"-BULLSHIT)this is the main reason i now buy from pro-source.The product i recieve from pro soure are name brand and cheaper than gnc on the first tues. of the month(and i don't have to buy a stupid f**king card either!)and the shipping rate is a flat 4 dollars and change.Also when i order something i never tried before the know exactly what it's supposed to do,(we all know not everything works the way it's supposed to)there also not as biased as gnc when it comes to product comparison and it gets delivered to my front door usually the next day if i order it early enough the day before.Another thing i agree with you on R&D is that there is no short cuts in bodybuilding,as in life you get what you put into it.bodybuilding is a 24 hour thing(lifestyle)that most people can,t hack (that's obvious just go to any mall and try to find more than 10 peole who are in good shape,trust me it won,t be easy)that's why i laugh when people tell me how i've changed and that there going to get diesel too and start lifting, that's when i tell them what i do and what i sacrifice to look like this(hey i'm no ronnie coleman but i don't juice up either)most of these peolpe look at me like i have two heads.On occasion i will take someone up on going to the gym with me and within two weeks there complaining that they are't making the gains they thought they would i then ask them are you eating right?are you sleeping right?which they usually reply i woke up late and skipped breakfast or i went out drinking with the guy's got home late slept 3 hours or some other excuse.these people think it's just lifting weights and they laugh when i tell thats the fun part the real work begins as soon as you leave the gym.Most get discouraged and never come the lucky few tough it out and eventually see gains(i'm one of the lucky few)but some assume that because they been lifting,eating and sleeping consistent that within 3 months they should look like Bill Davey-not going to happen.You could spend your entire life lifting right, eating right, sleeping right but genetics are genetics,doesn,t meen you should't try just don't get discouraged with the outcome because chances are you won't ever be as big or cut.I guess what i'm trying to say is everyone is unique and just take your physique to its limit.while i'm here another thing that pisses me off is the lack of tolerance i sometimes see in the gym toward new jacks.These people are just like tou when you started (remeber you guy's weren't always pressing 315)so give the new guy or girl some help if you see them struggling on something tell them not to be intimitated and that progress comes with good form not by lifting something to heavy to handle. what's the worse thing that could happen you make a new friend.But all in all bodybuilding is a learning experience- you have to learn what works for your body and only time will tell.Well iv'e said enough for now good to here from you R&D and hope to here from you soon your a bright light in a other wise dim bulletin.
| By josh shea on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 07:58 am: Edit |
i've been thinking about taking CELL TECH by MUSCLE TECH, is it a weight gainer? i don't want to get to big but i want to be big what do you think? e-mail me ( thanks )
| By Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 08:27 am: Edit |
Its creatine with some added stuff (sugar, alpha lopic acid, chromium picolinate, etc....
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| By R&D on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 01:39 am: Edit |
To Josh.
Get too big? Those guys that are on the advertisements are on AS (anabolic steroids). You will never look like them if you do MuscleTech for the rest of your life. Believe me, you could lift for a year, and still not be as big as you want. So many factors play a part in packing on muscle, that it is impossible genetically to look like them.
So, buy it if you think that Cell-Tech is your brand of creatine, but believe me, even with the 10g of creatine per serving, you won't be as big as Lee Priest, or anyone else that advertises for MuscleTech. And, how big is too big? Don't expect many veins to be popping out. That comes when your veins grow, which is a natural reaction to AS. You can pack on lean muscle, maybe even 10lbs in a month, which is fabulous, but no where near 30 lbs which usually comes with AS.
Good Luck. God Speed.
R&D
| By R&D on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 02:13 am: Edit |
I respect natural bodybuilders the most. They are the guys who created their bodies from scratch. Don't get me wrong, the guys on AS still have to live a rigid diet, but we end up watching ourselves more so. We can't pack the muscle on as fast, nor do we see certain muscles.
We end up spending money on supplements that are puported to work. The FDA has not yet concurred on the effectiveness of supplements, so we are thereby further forced to place faith in something that may or may not work, and get raped on cash.
I hate seeing egos collide. Especially at that gym. And I agress PZAPAZ, that why can't an experienced bodybuilder help a novice. Someday, they hope to look half as good as you, and they are further giving you praise by asking for help. Evidently, they see you look great and are looking up to you for help. Just because you can bench a Buick doesn't mean you're a bigger man. Every person has a different perception of what makes a man. It could be smarts and intelligence. Caring. Body. Ambition. The list is endless. So don't think for one second that because you can bench twice as much that you're better. I tend to respect guys who are modest and did a good job with their body and don't show it off. And on the same token, have respect for themselves and people, and are intelligent. You'll get much farther with respect and intelligence than arrogance and disregard.
Yet, searching for the quick answer to bodybuidling (like an ab machine, or some pill, or plastic surgery), isn't the answer. The thing with ab machines is that they forget to tell you to eat right, too. And in the end, it ends up in the closet, unused. Another failure.
It is a lifestyle. And many people get ragged on because they want the easy fix a few months before a major social event or the summer, and it doesn't work like that. Some people are blessed with genetics, especially women, to be thin, and they are fine. Most guys, have to work for their muscles. Those that you envy on the beach, live the lifestyle and they have the right to flaunt it because they work it. And I am sure jealousy flows through your body when a female friend or a woman you're eyeing up notices some ripped guy with nice bi's and so on. You want to automatically look like that. Well, respect yourself and start a new program for life. Because, going the gym is not the answer for a bigger and better body, it is foregoing everything in life that has given you that slumpy body. Get out, do something. Get supplements. Get good food. When you see results, you will realize why you gave up alcohol and hamburgers. You will love the response.
R&D
| By Nate on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 03:22 am: Edit |
Well put my man. Hey R&D, why not post your e-mail address so that us newbies can ask you questions related to body building in privacy?
| By josh shea on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 06:49 am: Edit |
hey R&D does supplementing with creatine and lifting reduce the body fat that hides the muscle?
| By R7D on Monday, February 21, 2000 - 10:36 am: Edit |
In essence, yes sir. When lifting and supplementing creatine, and your goals are to lose fat and gain muscle, it tends to be a trade off. This is the reason why many people try and lose weight don't see results, because you can't lose weight and gain muscle and expect your weight to go down, especially since muscle weighs more than fat.
Additionally, lifting is the best method for losing that unwanted bodyfat, unlike running. Running is better for cardiovascular purposes. That is not to say that you shouldn't do it, but there's a certain time and intensity at which it should be done.
First, let me go into the positive effects of lifting. Lifting, emptys your glycogen supply and energy that your body has. So, by lifting you will empty out what the body is using as current energy and run into the scenario of burning what you already have. This is good, as you hit a certain point, you'll burn fat. Some muscle will be lost, but as long as your packing on more than your losing, you'll gain.
Following lifting, you should do cardio. However, the best time is first thing in the morning when you wake up on an empty stomach. As you know, your body has nothing in it, except maybe water, so it will jump right into burning the maximum amount of fat. Yet, if you don't lile early morning cardio, after lifting is the next best time.
As I explained before, that is when you're going to burn the most fat. When you're done lifting, take down about 5 grams of creatine for optimal uptake. Creatine uptake can get confusing itf question the time period, but it is best right after a workout. There's no need to take in more than 10 grams a day. Most on here that take creatine will vouch for its effectiveness at about 10 grams. Since the first 5g (which would be taken before a workout for a good pump and surge of energy) and the second 5g would be effect for muscle recovery and growth.
So, the answer, in a longer fashion is yes. It is a great supplement. Yet, when considering supplements, don't forget the all important protein and good nutrition. Creatine is nothing without a good diet. L-Glutamine will speed recovery and prevent muscle breakdown and protein degradation. And an ECA stack will give you more energy and fat burning ability with an increased metabolism. Thanks. God Speed. Good Luck.
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, February 22, 2000 - 04:00 am: Edit |
so R&D your saying that if i exercise and supplement with creatine and workout i'll become more defined and loose that extra flab on top of the muscle?
| By Jim on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 12:16 am: Edit |
THINK...USE YOUR BRAIN...men were working out with standard weights and eating well for years and years without any supplements. And YES they made great gains...WITHOUT ANY SUPPLEMENTS JUST GOOD CLEAN FOOD!
Anyone can gain muscle just doing the above. In fact, you CAN get just as big as ANYONE taking supplements just by eating and working out!
The only money you should spend is on food.
| By andy on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 05:06 am: Edit |
when r the best times to take creatine? and what should be mixed with it? also twinlab makes creatine capsuls..r they just as good as powders and chewables??
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 05:32 am: Edit |
creatine after you workout, taken with some type of sugar and I'd prefer the powdered stuff.
| By Anonymous on Thursday, February 24, 2000 - 11:16 pm: Edit |
If you use creatine for a while and then quit will you loose muscle or keep what the creatine helped gain?
| By andy on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 12:25 am: Edit |
i have heard of some ppl who didnt lose anything, but most likely u will lose a couple a pounds and stregth. but u get it all back once u start ur cycle back again.
| By R&D on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 10:54 pm: Edit |
Some of what people know of creatine is true, but the whole story has not always been told. It is true that creatine is delivered to your muscles through insulin and it will draw water into your muscles. This is the optimal anabolic environment for muscles growth as your muscles are fully vasculated. At full capacity, nutrients like protein and l-glutamine can be utilized and protein synthesized.
It has also been found through research that it aids up to 3x greater in protein synthesis.
Human cells supplemented with creatine have also been found to live longer. Its physiological affects go far beyond drawing water into cells and making you look pumped. These affects, however, have been overlooked, and creatine is sometimes questioned as to its potency and effectiveness. Yet, it still remains one of the top selling and most effective supplements. So if you're looking for gains. Go to creatine. More info will come soon.
R&D
| By Ryan on Saturday, February 26, 2000 - 04:41 am: Edit |
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| By JZ on Saturday, February 26, 2000 - 07:31 am: Edit |
Creatine is great.
Anyhow, it ups nitrogen retention in the same
fashion as deca. Further, by having higher ATP
stores, the body increases synthesis.
Don't go overbaord on it, because after a certain
point, it will stop being more effective, and you
will be peeing out your money. Anyhow, if you
don't train hard enough, and up the protein while
on it, you will waste your money.
You need to provide creatine the environment it
needs, and then it will work. Creatine helps, and
insulin spiking is the way to go. You can do it
without injectables, though not to the same effect
of humulin. Just waiting until evening for food,
completely, your protein efficiency, as well as
insulin resultants are going to be way higher.
Otherwise, fukk that, get on deca. It is as safe
as tylenol, in moderated doses. Think not?
Tylenol will tear your liver up, if taken for a
long period of time. Further, deca is a
water/nitrogen AS. Also, it costs less than some
peoples legal regimens. Keep in mind- if you are
downing lots of legal supps, you are doing more
damage than a cycle of AS, which would get you
what you want, way faster.
To R&D- suck it. Your veins will grow as the
muscle's need for blood-supply increases. IF you
can show demand, they will respond. And, if you
know how to train, you can demonstrate any
muscles.
But, you won't lool like lee priest if you aren't
on the GH, insulin, nolvadex, sustanon, anadrol,
lasix, clenbuterol, mary jane, and amphetamines,
unless you are some damned super-human freak.
Did I mention the durabolin cycles? How about
600g protein/day on a heavy cycle? That is what
it is to play big-league. That is the truth.
JZ
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| By Lyle on Saturday, February 26, 2000 - 10:59 pm: Edit |
I also read the messages that were deleted... they were not on the subject! Duh!
| By guru on Sunday, February 27, 2000 - 12:09 am: Edit |
Read this interesting article extracted from www.ast-ss.com :
Bodybuilders are constantly fed conflicting information regarding nutritional intake. This information, dished out mainly by the magazines, is primarily manipulated to sell you supplements. Yes, the magazines do have a vested interest in supplements. More space is devoted to marketing their supplements, either through articles or ads (in many cases these are one in the same), than is devoted to non-promotional productive training and nutritional information. Sad but true. Unfortunately you have to learn to see through the monetarily motivated bullshit.
The Sodium Dilemma
As a whole, bodybuilders who think they are serious about their diet, generally cut out all extra sodium intake. Most are under the false notion that sodium will make them fat, cause them to retain extra water (as if this were a bad thing), cause high blood pressure or is just overall an unhealthy mineral. None of which is true. First off, sodium does not cause hypertension. This is a disease sodium can aggravate but not manifest. Secondly, sodium will not make you fat in any way, shape, or form. Thirdly, sodium is an essential nutrient your body can’t live without. Many functions in the body are "sodium-dependant". They require the presence of sodium. Many amino acids are transported by sodium carriers. Just recently the results of a major 10 year study were released vindicating sodium as the unhealthy mineral. In fact this study revealed that individuals with higher sodium intake had a lower mortality rate. That's right. Those that consumed a diet low in sodium actually died at an earlier age than those with higher sodium intakes. That pretty much throws a serious monkey wrench into the generally accepted thinking on sodium now doesn't it? With these fallacies out of the way let's see how we can manipulate our sodium intake to help increase muscular size and strength.
Sodium and Muscle Growth
Sodium is the primary positively charged ion in extra-cellular fluid. Sodium regulates blood volume, acid-base balance, muscle and nerve function and ATP-hydrolyzing activity in skeletal muscle. Potassium is the primary positively charged ion in intracellular fluid. Potassium regulates intra-muscular fluid levels, muscle and nerve function and ATP-hydrolyzing activity in skeletal muscle.
As you can see, sodium and potassium perform very similar functions with the major difference being in the intra and extra-cellular fluid regulation. Most everyone is aware that sodium has an effect on subcutaneous (under the skin) fluid retention. Potassium has its effect on fluid inside the muscle cell. What most don’t realize is that these two minerals are constantly striving for equilibrium. When one gets out of line with the other your system will strive to adjust to the underlying situation.
When you cut your sodium intake, your body will quickly compensate by holding more sodium in and releasing potassium out thereby decreasing fluid inside the muscle cell. When you increase your sodium intake your body will compensate by holding more potassium in (increasing intra-muscular fluid) and increasing the excretion of sodium.
Sodium, potassium and the balance between the two can have a prominent impact on muscle size and anabolism (increased cellular fluid inside the muscle cell promotes an anabolic response in muscle tissue) as well as strength through increase joint leverage. Also, elevated sodium and potassium levels will tend to prevent soft tissue injuries so common in heavy training.
Sodium's Influence
*Increases muscle size through an increase in muscle cell fluid volume.
*Increasing cellular fluid increases protein turnover and overload stimulated lean tissue accrual.
*Increased intra and extra-cellular fluid *increases joint leverage positively impacting strength for greater muscle overload.
*Increased intra and extra-cellular fluid decreases muscle strains and helps protect soft and connective tissue from injury.
*Many critical amino acids are "sodium-dependant". This means they actually have to attach to a sodium molecule to enter the muscle cell.
Getting Enough
You can get enough potassium from a good multi-mineral supplement. Bananas are also an excellent source and are highly recommended. Each bite has about 100 milligrams of potassium. Sodium is another story. The typical athlete that eats a disciplined diet low in fat is probably not benefiting from proper sodium intake as he should. Forget the myth of avoiding table salt. Don’t be afraid to use salt liberally. This is important. I know, over the years the media has pounded the “avoid salt” routine down your throat but you must understand, not only this is geared towards the “average person” - if you train and eat like a bodybuilder, you are not an average person - it's opposite of what recent science has shown to be healthy.
Remember, the low/no sodium approach will limit the rate at which you can put on muscle from both a fluid balance standpoint and through hormonal suppression effects.
One of the key effects of steroids, especially the high androgenic ones, is their ability to promote the retention of sodium. This sodium retention is believed to be a major contributor to the muscle growth experienced while on steroids. This is a relatively new area of research. The medical community can’t seem to agree on just how and why steroids work and this appears to be an area that has been seriously overlooked.
Sodium and potassium are regulated by aldosterone. Aldosterone is produced in the adrenal cortex. Steroids have a direct influence on the adrenal cortex which also produces cortisol and other glucocorticoids. See a connection?
We will have much more on the groundbreaking research into The “Sodium -Anabolic” Connection in the near future. In the meantime, for a serious anabolic jolt, simply increase your sodium intake by salting your food a little more. It doesn't take a ton of salt. Just get in the habit of salting your food at every meal. Steadily increase the amount you use over a one month period. You'll be bigger, stronger, and much less susceptible to progress halting injuries. And guess what? It costs only about 27 cents for a 3 month supply.
| By R&D on Monday, February 28, 2000 - 02:02 pm: Edit |
Gone are the days of natural bodybuilding. When men used to consume raw eggs with the hope of growing big. Now, our workouts are designed around drugs, natural or otherwise. No one truly knows anything, most is just heresay. The fields are divided between the natural and the unnatural.
Most focus on the actual supplement or injection. You forget our bodies have the natural capacity to grow and adapt to change. This is not to say that supplements are bad, because I use. But, over the weeks I have searched and navigated this site, to find hundreds of dollars thrown into supplements like investments, and when they crap the bed, you throw in your hand at bodybuilding, or worse, reinvest for more failure.
Success in this field relies upon knowledge, not drugs. Don't think by any means, creatine, or ECA stacks are going to make any difference, nor are steroids. Steroid bodybuilders don't get near the respect nor admiration that natural ones do, this is pure fact. I don't care if you're consuming 600g of protein (which is meaningless), or you're benching 400lbs. If you can say that you can put up 215 of natural weight at about 7% bodyfat, you deserve praise.
No one wants to live in the gym. In fact, doing so results in negative results and a bitterness, over time, against lifting. AS are not going to get you there. And if you're not aware, Steroids are amongst one of the most highly abused drugs in the world, above crack and heroin. Additionally, even normal, therapeutic dosages have an affect on the body's noraml function, so how can a month's cycle of an even greater dosage not? It is a damn guarantee that you will have some form of a side effect, whether internally or externally. So why cheat your body? Go natural.
Yet, don't throw your money away assuming some supplement is the miracle to great abs. This net is filled with a wealth of knowledge, posted for your benefit. You can design your own sucessful program. So to JZ, you can take your big league attitude and flush it, along with any respect that people have or hope for greater future health. No one here has the need, want or desire, to listen to your bs about drugs meant for a purpose other than creating lats you could use to fly with. AS do exactly what they're meant for, turn you into an animal, especially since the brunt of them are animal drugs anyway.
Go natural. Gather Info. Be smart. Train Hard.
R&D
P.S. No woman cares, unless she does AS too, if you can bench a car. What matters is what's in your head, and if you'll have the ability to father children, or even live long enough to.
| By guru on Monday, February 28, 2000 - 07:56 pm: Edit |
EVERYBODY!
go to : www.ast-ss.com
| By JZ on Monday, February 28, 2000 - 08:20 pm: Edit |
Whatever, RD.
I am just washing these ideas of getting big and
freaky out of their heads.
Fart, you can't get big and bulked out, lean,
without a decade or a deca. N-E-how, I am not a
roider, guy, just telling it how it is.
You don't know hair gel about roids, do you? You
think that they're bad for you. Sure, some are,
but if you hit the right ones, they are safer than
that ECA stack you are taking. And, they cost
less than these legal supp stacks.
Damn, I lost a dianabol. I think my cat ate it.
NOOOOO He is 30lbs. heavier!!!! OH MY GOD!!!
ROID-CAT!!!
Later, guys, train natural, train safe
| By R&D on Monday, February 28, 2000 - 10:16 pm: Edit |
First off. If I knew nothing of what I was talking about, I would not be recommending or even advising people. Second, I know both about anabolic steroids and supplements, but I do not have to divest my experience and resources to you. I don't come on here to spout b.s. or quarrel with novice builders, nor to promote specific products. Instead, to enlighten people to the real world.
It doesn't take a decade, as you call it to make great gains. That is just a factor that lends itself to excuse so as to quit. If you're lifting for a decade, you had better be HUGE. Otherwise, what was the point? As I mentioned before, if you're not going to follow a good diet and good lifting program, what is the value of your time in the gym?
Nutrition is the single most important aspect of lifting, in addition to good form and training. The difference is, a steroid bodybuilder is going to look much different than his natural counterpart with the same weight, height, strength, bodyfat percentage, etc. The natural builder will be healthier and look more natural (i.e. lack of buldging neck, virility, and so forth).
It is pure common sense, and not even scientific research that AS are damaging to your body. Doctor's wouldn't prescribe them otherwise. If they didn't make some hormonal change, why else would they be administered? Hell, everything has its consquences, some more so than others. Yet, there are some things that are conclusively more damaging than others, AS for obvious reasons. I don't care whether you do it, but either the ignorant or the using, still maintain the belief that they are ok to use. Well fine. I don't care about changing you, it is about educating those that have yet to start.
To compare. When you finally get great results from some product, say an ECA stack as you noted JZ. When you finally get the ripped abs you want, what is there to prevent you from continuing to use that product if you haven't experienced any initial side effects? Nothing, you will use it more because it was successful. The same idea applies to AS, and anything else you derive pleasure and satisfaction from with no apparent, immediate consequences.
So simply put. You don't need decades of lifting to achieve your goals. You need determination and a healthy diet. Supplements help, but as mentioned before, no supplement can uphold a bad diet. And, once you start making natural changes, you'll be hooked to continuing and eventually 10 years will roll by and you'll outlive those who were injecting just as you started natural.
R&D
| By JZ on Tuesday, February 29, 2000 - 06:53 am: Edit |
Fart, man. Don't need to get bout it bout it.
They prescribe AS to aids patients, cancer
patients, even children with hormonal imbalances.
If you keep the doses moderate, they will not do
much of anything negative, if you are not heavily
androgenic.
Dermals and injectables, with sterile needles do a
lot less to your liver than that cid you tried
when you were 15. Fart, they do less than
drinking a couple beers. And, not all of them are
going to increse cancer like beer. Then,
cigarettes, man...
Do you ever try to get a tan? You are making
yourself feel better to enjoy your life more,
while getting cancer, down the line.
You haven't done your r&d on juice, because if you
had, you'd know what's up. It is people like you
that get guns banned.
Guns kill people, sure, and can mess up your
brain, liver, heart, arteries or anything else
they hit...but if you shoot them the right way,
nobody gets hurt.
Ever think about that? Do you drive, rd?
Whatever. I bet you get antibiotics when you get
a phagocytic reaction. Bitch.
You bought all the negative pr about it. Arnold
had a tri-bi-pass because he took enough roids for
everyone in my gym. Otherwise, he smokes...
Do real homework, my brother.
| By JJ on Tuesday, February 29, 2000 - 10:30 am: Edit |
This should go in the steroids discussion board!!
| By Uren on Tuesday, February 29, 2000 - 10:32 am: Edit |
Okay, so according to that logic, we should all smoke too much, drink too much, tan without lotion, take steroids, not wear a seatbelt, never use the safety on a gun or anything. Is that what you are saying? All these things are dumb!
| By R&D on Tuesday, February 29, 2000 - 12:22 pm: Edit |
Good post Uren.
Finally, a logical post. As far as your artificial belief in AS, take it to the boards. I was defending the growing legions of bodybuilders that go the natural route by drugs that make it possible.
Comparing AS to drinking, driving and smoking doesn't work, they're all legal.
And you're damn right, if this was a guns discussion board, I would advocate banning them. I would rather run the risk of pissing off more unarmed folks, than getting shot by some 15 year old with hostile tendencies and a thirst for Doom and the Matrix. That is for another site, however.
In this world, though, we're free to do as we please. Not everyone will agree on everything that the government does, or even bans, but it is for the common good. If you so choose to live life carefree and deal with consequences of AS, fine. And you know you can get them whenever you need, so why harp anymore on the topic? The supplements, however, will evolve and natural bodybuilding will pave the way. Because like everything else in our society, we make it bigger, stronger and faster, and the day will come when there is a natural supplement able to make steroid like gains.
Until that day, however, we push ourselves to find ways to become better and more efficient in the gym, striving for the diet, supplement, and program that will maximize our potential. And, by not caving into AS, we can savor in our accomplishment like no other. Because the only time I heard of a person resorting to AS, is when they give up natural bodybuilding and when they want the quick and easy way out. Which are both signs of weakness.
Besides, the side effects of AS are guarantee. Yet, there are those people that will go the rest of their lives and never have an accident, and another that can get killed the day they get their license. Or, there are those that can smoke their whole life and never get cancer. Then there are the ones who just happen to get it. Life is a game of chance, and often good luck, why push the odds in favor of death by using AS?
Our bodies were never meant to be injected with articifical hormones, even in the advent of medication. And even then, the amounts we receive through normal medication and maintenance can be enough to destory it and our self-defenses. By adding AS to it, your adding insult to injury and fuel to a fire.
GO natural. STAY natural. GROW big.
R&D
| By Anonymous on Tuesday, February 29, 2000 - 11:52 pm: Edit |
Do all you creatine users like to cycle your creatine, 2mo. on, 1mo. off? Or do you prefer to stay on all the time?
| By R&D on Wednesday, March 01, 2000 - 02:41 am: Edit |
I have cycled, and found no problems with it. The problem is, your body can get used to it, and the effects are not as potent. Creatine receptors will not be as useful or potent and transfer less, and your gains will not as be as noticeable. Yet, if you take a month or so break, your tolerance to creatine reception will have diminished and you will be able to uptake more creatine once again and there by obtain greater gains. You can always cycle off with some other product, such as andro, if you want, or even glutamine. Perhaps experiment with other supplements, just not creatine.
You can always stick to protein, which is a must. Yet, quantities always vary from person to person, and article to article, so go with the one that fits you best.
Here is food for thought on overtraining.
Because, I know so many people who insist upon 2+ hours of lifting, in which they do up to 30 exercises for 3 parts! Why?
Even logic prescribes a more intense, short workout. Yet, day after day, and trip after trip, I see guys that spend a day in the gym and they are moderately built, but nothing enviable. The guys with the good bodies are the ones who are in and out quicker. They get their stuff done and their gone. They don't live their life in the gym, and their results are massive and shirt-stretching.
Multipe exercises do not equate with greater gains. As any experienced bodybuilder knows, gains come outside of the gym, which is why if your effort is not paying off, you will know that it is the result of poor eating. But if you can get the same results in an hour as you can in two, why not stay less?
Actually, more time spent lifting, increases stamina and aerobic activity, as opposed to anaerobic activity, which is what you want. This is where the idea of lower reps and more weight comes. For the most part, it only applies to those searching for more mass, but it will also produce greater strength. Because that guy just throwing weights up in any old form, can't nearly put up what you will if you do it slower, and more controlled.
I always see guys arching their back on the bench press. In essence, you can't put that up, that was more than forced weight, and that is not your actualy weight. You should, with good form and a controlled, timed, repetition, be able to put the weight up.
I would guarantee results of strength and mass over the usually excepted throwing the weight up program, in which reps are not controlled nor done with good form. I have heard the dependency of builders to have to do multiple sets and reps and exercises, but what for? That doesn't mean your muscles will grow anymore than they would, just so long as you shock them. You can actually lose mass, since you will be releasing more cortisol, which will add to catabolism, and eat up more mass.
So try this: counting.
2 seconds up on the positive.
4 seconds down on the negative. Since the negative has also been able to improve weight gain greater.
For instance, 2 second count on the dumbbell bench press up, and a 4 second count down. Guaranteed, you won't lift as much, but you will exhaust your muscles sooner, and be able to gain more mass. So why waste so much time when you can lift according to the HIT program?
Your gains, in accord with supplements will be greater, and you can spend time doing more cardio or even outside of the gym.
R&D
| By Anonymous on Wednesday, March 01, 2000 - 04:35 am: Edit |
So you're actually telling us that not cycling creatine is the way to go?
| By john gaj on Wednesday, March 01, 2000 - 10:21 am: Edit |
Cycling creatine is a waste of time.
All you do when you go off it lose the retained
nitrogen and water that the volumization caused.
Also, you can take stimulants with creatine.
I know which study that was, but there are a dozen
other studies saying you can take both. Actually,
they have a minor synergy. The diuretic effects
of the caff or ephedrine will reduce sub-cutaneous
the main purpose for volumizing is not the water,
but the other nutrients that flow in, when there
is more space for water in the cells.
If you cycle, you will lose weight, and gain it
back. There is not any documented chronic-use
sideeffect (chronic means low dose, over a long
period of time). It is natuarally occuring, and
the deaths were only from wrestlers who were also
using the steroid clenbuterol.
Later,
| By guru on Wednesday, March 01, 2000 - 06:33 pm: Edit |
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| By CWard on Thursday, March 02, 2000 - 12:43 pm: Edit |
I have been taking Creatine for 3 months now... If I stop taking it for a month or so, how much mass will I loose... Is that all BS that my gains will go away. Has anyone ever gone off it and not have any losses. Is it bad to stay on Creatine forever... I mean will I stop seeing the results?
| By D on Thursday, March 02, 2000 - 01:08 pm: Edit |
I have been taking Creatine for several years now. Never cycled off. I have gained close to 30 lbs over the years due to Creatine Monohydrate supplementation. I am presently taking Cell-Tech which has 10 grams of Creatine per serving along with alpha lipoic acid, glutamic acid and 75mg. of glucose for maximum transfer. I take it in conjuction with andro and 19norAndrodiol. I weigh around 210lbs at 7.4% bodyfat, I workout with 275 on the bench, 900 lbs on the inverted legpress machine, curl 70 lb dumbbells, do the stack on all the machines I workout on...all natural. Good supplements, good diet, and a consistent workout routine. Don't start thinking that you can get big overnight...I know several guys that thought that way, and one of them got deathly sick from the roids usage and the other one is in prison for the sale and distribution of a controlled substance. Guys, It's a felony to have that stuff in your posession. Is it worth ruining your life over trying to get big??? Think about it.....
| By Chris on Thursday, March 02, 2000 - 10:36 pm: Edit |
I myself am coming up to the end of my first month cycle on creatine and am unsure of where to take it. I'm happy with the gains so far, I'm looking at 10-12 pounds in three weeks, so I can't complain. However, I'm sure whether cycling, ( 1 month on, 1 off, etc...) is going to do it for me. I want to maximise creatine because to date, it is the only and I mean ONLY supplement that has worked for me. The results were more than what I could have hoped.
However, now I'm told that by going off the creatine, even for a month, I will loose that 12 pounds it gave me. Say it ain't so! I won't bother with NorAndro 'cause I tried it and the results where Nil. I'm on top of the nutrition battle, the protein intake, along with carbs, vitamins, sodium, you name it, couldn't be better, but now what?
Do I cycle the creatine and run the risk of loosing what I've gained, or do I stay on it and run the risk of not gaining any more?
| By Anonymous on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 02:34 am: Edit |
Hi guy , What Can I take with Creatine for gain weight " AminoAcids or Protein Powder or Glutamine etc.... "
Thanks
| By andy on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 05:01 am: Edit |
this goes for chris, i dont think u will lose all ten pounds as long as u keep up with ur great nurtition and hard training, but u will lose some, prolly around 8 or so is my guess. i think u will see a tiny more diff in the way u see ur self in the mirror. but overall i thin u should be good, and u might want to consider only being off of it for like 3 weeks, let me know how it goes, hope i helped, later
| By D on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 08:52 am: Edit |
Mr. Anonymous, Concerning what to take w/Creatine for gaining weight. I have been taking Heavy Weight Gainer 900 by Champion Nutrition. I drink that once and sometimes twice a day along with the Creatine (Cell-Tech) and along with eating 5 to 6 times a day. Keep your protein intake high, carbohydrate intake moderate and fat intake low. There are no problems or contraindications concerning what you take with Creatine. I would recommend not drinking too much alcohol. As you know, alcohol dehydrates you, ridding your body of moisture. Creatine is a cell volumizer...pumping moisture inside the cell so that protein metabolism and a positive nitrogen balance will promote muscle growth. Here's to your health!
| By Anonymous on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 12:20 pm: Edit |
Thanks D , So Creatine with Protein Powder or With Amino ( Not at the same time )
& what is the different betwin them
Thanks
| By D on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 01:53 pm: Edit |
Mr. Anonymous, Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. So, your question is redundant. Protein and amino acids are the same thing. You cannot have proteins without having amino acids at the same time for they are one in the same. It also does not matter if you take Creatine in conjunction with protein or by itself. One is not dependent upon the other for proper assimilation by the body. The only thing Creatine does need for transport into the cell is sugar in the form of glucose. Cell-Tech has this transport built-in. 75 grams of it. I know I may sound like a commercial, but the stuff really works for me. The time of day that you take powdered Creatine also is not important. It takes Creatine almost 2 weeks to get into your system to where you can start telling a difference in your workouts. So, whether you want to take it in the morning, at night, before a workout, during a workout, or after a workout, it's immaterial, it just really doesn't matter. I speak from experience. I didn't change anything in my diet, workout routine, or sleep patterns and about 10 to 12 days after my initial loading phase was when I started feeling a marked difference in my workouts. The proverbial "wall" was virtually nonexistant. I found myself looking for another exercise to wear myself out on!!! It definitely gave me more endurance and energy.Hope this answered your question adequately. Here's to your health!
| By Chris on Friday, March 03, 2000 - 08:20 pm: Edit |
Thanx for the input, think I might try cycling the creatine for starters, if I loose the weight, I guess I can always put it back on when I start back on the stuff and just stay on it.
As for creatine products, I have to say CRE-X8. It is the only supplement that has worked for me to date, and my track record includes everything, and I mean everything. You name it, I've tried it, and so far CRE-X8 is the winner. It incorporates 5.5mg of creatine, lipsoic acid, glucose, DHEA, protein, terrestus tribus (didn't spell that right but you know what i mean) and a few other supplements per serving. Can't go wrong there anyway.
| By R&D on Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 01:19 am: Edit |
First off. Amino Acids are the building blocks of protein. What you said is that the component is the same thing as the whole, and it is not. Secondly there are a variety of amino acids, some more important the others. By utilizing a potent source of amino acids, you can increase your gains substantially. Moreover, during a workout, without sufficient energy stores, protein degradation occurs and these amino acids are used up as energy. Your muscle fibers are ripped in the process of lifting, and repaired through eating.
The better your quality of food and the better your source of amino acids and protein the better your gains. L-Glutamine, an amino acid that comprises 60% of the amino acids in your, is a supplement that works to replenish these stores and prevent the break down of critical muscle.
Also, advocates and substantial users of creatine will tell you that they never combine creatine consumption and protein, they will compete for absorption. Because, if you know how they work, creatine must first be brought into muscle cells, before protein can be entered into the body, Using the typical diagram or idea of balloon, if it is stretched wider through blowing more air, inside, there is greater space that more can fit, right? Same idea with creatine, it vasculates your muscle cells, providing you with greatest possible room to pump more nutrients in. More nutrients equals greater gains. Creatine also aids in protein synthesis, working up to 3x greater than normally.
If you enter protein in, the creatine cannot can be taken at the sametime, in the same way that an ECA stakc cannot be digested before food if you put it down last. Think. You can't digest the last thing you in first, right? So how would creatine be digested before if it is throw in last, or together. Because, when taking in protein, I would assume that you're eating something or taking a protein supplement. This means at the sametime, one can only be entirely digest, or even partially digested. You won't get the recommended dosage of 5g of creatine if you're consuming food, or protein.
Also, to maximize its uptake, creatine is often offered with carbohydrates, or it is recommended to consume some small, high glycemic car soure prior to creatine consumption, so to release insulin as soon as possible. This will help get the creatine to the necessary muscle cells, and maximize its effects.
Additionally, are you sure that it is 5.5mg? That is the smallest amount of creatine I have ever heard. I wouldn't see that being too effect, as red meat has more.
DHEA is actually a supplement used to increase the testosterone and muscle building properties of older men (50+), not young adults like you and I. Since at about that age, testoesterone production tends to drop off, they use it to up their production and gain mass.
Glucose is found in most supplement products. Some, like GNC's brand, is pure and doesn't contain any. It is a good idea to have some in the product, or you're going to have to get some in food.
Terrestus Tribulus, is an herbal plant found to have properties that increase testosterone production. It is best used in the form of a stack with DHEA, andro, nor-andro, diol, or any other number of hormonal supplements. However, the effectiveness of hormonal supplements is not nearly documented quite as heavily as creatine and so forth. And, in most cases, they have only been found to affect the testosterone supply by a nominal amount, or used to cover the usage of AS. In worst scenarios, they affect your body and cause acne, hair loss, and so forth.
The downside to supplements is that the research of supplements is unknown. What is known is through experiments of their usage and what companies like to tell us in their hyped up manner. What appears to be a 430% increase in testosterone release is, in scientific padded terms, and increase from say 5% to 15.3%. Got me?
R&D
| By Anonymous on Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 10:31 pm: Edit |
Actually the supplement I'm on doesn't have DHEA, I misread it there, but the rest is accurate. Well the protein/creatine mix is easilly solved by not consuming them at the same time. And that wasn't 5.5mg, that was 5.5grams obviously, you'll have to excuse my typing. I got to say, the stuff is working though. Along with my weight gain, I'm looking at an increased number of reps per set, and they are coming more comfortably; and I'm going to heavier wieghts with more than satisfactory results. The stuff is working! I didn't even bother loading with this brand, just started out at a regulary dosage and I cannot complain at all.
| By Anonymous on Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 10:58 pm: Edit |
Loading is the companies way of getting you to buy more canisters of this stuff so they can make more money.
| By Anonymous on Sunday, March 05, 2000 - 03:29 am: Edit |
i just bought a jug of creatine and it says to load, will i see results faster if i load?
and how long will it take untill i see results i exercise alot and very intense.
thanks!
| By R&D on Sunday, March 05, 2000 - 04:55 am: Edit |
No. Companies often say to load, but for the most part, it is simply a waste of creatine. The excess that your body doesn't uptake, will end up being excreted through your urine. What good is creatine that is pissed off? This is much the same way that protein works. Your body only needs and can only handle so much protein, so the excess is given on urine.
Use the creatine once or twice a day, depending on when you lift and what you feel like doing. I take creatine 20 minutes before I lift, and 20 minutes after I am done working out. On days off, I take it once keep up my dosage. This way, I'm only taking what I need, and no excess.
There's no point in wasting money on product that will be come waste anyway. Many products are expensive (such as CellTech) and they advocate loading. However, at 40$ a jug for 20 servings, you'll be done in about 2 weeks, maybe less. At that cost, you might as well buy roids, and get quicker results.
Over time, results tend to taper off as creatine receptors become, well, less receptive. Some people take time, some don't. It doesn't matter, it is all in your preference. Yet, much research has been conducted that refutes the loading phase.
R&D
| By PZAPAZ on Monday, March 06, 2000 - 03:11 am: Edit |
I found if you take creatine and load one day (20grams,4-5gram dosages)and then just use 5 grams for 5 days then 20 grams etc.that it works even better.iv'e experimented with different dosages and found this works best(for me)Also i always add 5grams of glutamine with every dose this works even better.But everybody is different so experiment with dosages( try not to exceed 20grams a day i think this is a waste)also listen to what R&D says hes usually pretty acurate.He's deffinitly smarter than JZ but than again who isn't?
| By wri on Monday, March 06, 2000 - 03:30 am: Edit |
R&D I'm new to bodybuilding. I'm 26 5ft 8 and 142lbs. I plan on eating 6 meals a day 3 meals and 3 meal replacement shakes. I supplement with cell tech, nitro tech, an all in one vitamin, additional vitamin c, l-glutamine, and flaxseed oil. Is all of this necessary? And is all of this safe? I hear about bodybuilders having liver and kidney transplants and wonder what they are doing to themselves. I don't wanna turn out like that. I'm getting enough protein from just my foods but I thought 2 protein shakes would help more. But I hear too much protein puts a strain on your kidneys and liver. How much calories a day should I shoot for? Obviously I have a fast metabolism. My whole family is small except my younger brother. He weighs 172 lbs mostly muscle. But he doesn't work out. Where he got his size I don't know. I'm hoping I have his genetics in me. But he eats a hell of a lot. So maybe when I start eating more I'll get his size. Any info will help. Do I need all these supplements and if I do When is the best time to take them. Please respond. Thank you.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.205.116) on Wednesday, March 08, 2000 - 10:00 am: Edit |
Ok. Here we go.
Protein, as you know well, is the building block of muscle, in addition to amino acids. Your body only needs so much and can only handle so much at one time (about 30g, give or take 5). So these huge drinks of 50g, end up becoming burned calories. That is unless you're huge, like 200+, in which these sizes are necessary.
There are several ways to determine your caloric needs, and often it is 45%carbs/4o%protein/15%fat. From there, determine the calories needed to gain weight, and more importantly lean mass. Then simply take a fraction of each and divide it among fat, carbs, and protein.
Don't expect that the supplements will make the difference, you're eating will. Rest, as well. It can take anywhere from 5days to 6 weeks for a torn muscle from lifting to heal. So, by lifting 5 days, you're denying your body of potential gains and healing. Your most important supplements are going to be the flax seed oil, protein, glutamine, and creatine.
Take the creatine following a workout. If it contains carbs, there is no need to consume a high glycemic source. If it doesn't then consume some high glycemic carb food.
About 20 minutes later, take a protein/glutamine shake to fill and replenish those amino acid stores and needy muscles.
The flax seed oil, I would take according to its recommended dosages.
It will take time, and no matter what the muscletech ads say, you won't be that big in 10 weeks, or 10 months. Those guys are on roids, plain and simple. Unless you have a cycle, or a year's worth of deca in your back pocket, expect anywhere between 10 and 25 pounds, depending on how your diet is, sleeping, resting and genetics. Your training will also be a large part of how well muscle comes, but nearly as well as your diet and rest.
Try to workout around an hour, to keep up the intensity.
R&D
| By Anonymous ( - 205.188.199.142) on Wednesday, March 08, 2000 - 10:57 am: Edit |
Ive just purchased some Now creatine monohydrate and twinlab liquid amino fuel,my trainer tells me to take one teaspoon of creatine and one tabelspoon of aminos right before I lift. Does that sound like a good plan please respond.
| By wri ( - 63.27.75.213) on Wednesday, March 08, 2000 - 10:11 pm: Edit |
R&D Thanks for the info man, I really appreciate it. But I don't understand one thing. What should my overal caloric intake be. I'm eating about 3000 calories a day. I'm pretty sure that is enough for a guy my size to put weight on. Also, I"m going to cut my workouts to 3 days a week mon, weds, fri.I do 12 sets per bodypart. Example chest, 4 sets bench presses, 4 sets incline bench presses, and 4 sets dumbell flyes.Sound right? Also, should I take each set to failure or just the last set? Thanks!
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 01:28 am: Edit |
Generally, they multiple 18 * (your bodyweight). That is the basic equation used to determine weight gain. It may change a bit based on metabolism and size, and even goals.
As long as your are hitting each bodypart and they are taken to failure. Each set should be taken to failure, not just the last one. My typical workouts last an hour, and I do about 2-3 sets per exercise, and about 3 exercises. My rep count consists of 2 count on the way up, and a 4 count on the way down. Your best method for building mass, size and strength, as well as not wasting time, is to focus on the negative portion of the rep and keep it slow and controlled.
These guys who arch their backs, or throw weights up, aren't making muscle, they're trying to satisfy their ego. You can't build muscle if you're not focusing on it.
My typical chest workout is:
Pec Deck
Dumbbell Bench Press
Incline Press
Bench Press Machine
I am not a big favorite of the bench press. I have gotten better results from utilizing a dumbbell bench press than a barbell, and I have increased my 5 rep max by 5 pounds a week.
So keep the reps slow and controlled. If you have to, count them.
R&D
| By INSPECTAHMATT1 ( - 152.163.194.208) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 03:17 am: Edit |
ANY ONE TAKE THE CREATINE SYRUM. IF SO TELL ME HOW GOOD THE SHIT HAS WORKED OUT FOR YOU
| By Anonymous ( - 199.174.216.19) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 04:31 am: Edit |
Man i can't imagine what the "peck wreck" is doing to your shoulders. I've heard so many people tell me how bad it is for your rotator cuffs and such. Are these people speaking of the instances when people have used bad form? In my opinion if you do ANY exercise the wrong way it can potentially lead to injury.
| By Anonymous ( - 24.65.212.144) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 05:21 am: Edit |
R&D how mayn reps do you USE?
thank you
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 06:15 am: Edit |
The peck deck, when done right, which isn't hard, will screw you over, like any exercise. If you lift wrong with the leg press machine, say bye bye to your back. There are also to machines, but if you use them correctly they work better than flies.
Slow, controlled movements are the best for the peck deck. If you drop the weight back like normal people tend to do, you will damage the rotator cuff, as it requires you to swing the arms back further than they should move. However, by using a slightly lighter weight and focusing on the movement and using a higher count (2 up, 4 down), you can burn your chest in about 5 reps @ 2 sets on your max controlled weight.
Prior to learning how to properly use it, I was also fearful of the rotator cuffs. However, i assimilated some of the philosophies of HIT training into my workout.
I lift at about:
3 sets @ 5-8 reps, at max weight.
If you want to get big, anymore than those are not worth it. You're building stamina, and not tearing muscle but losing, as cortisol is builing up and eating potential muscle and eating away at amino acid stores.
If you want cut, then do more reps and sets at less weight. But if you're lifting at about max weight (or close to it) for 5-8 reps, you'll build strength and mass. More weight = Bigger Muscles. So to get used to the stimulus of weight, they grow bigger so as not to rip or be under such tension.
R&D
| By Anonymous ( - 199.174.223.193) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 06:44 am: Edit |
Although that's not always true. I've heard 20 rep squats and deadlifts works very well for building mass and strength.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Thursday, March 09, 2000 - 11:33 am: Edit |
Yes, but the theory behind HIT is different than pounding out many reps of heavy weight. Under HIT training, you don't lift max. You lift max weight at 5reps or so. This builds mass and strength faster.
Many power lifters don't even try for the 1 rep max, it is too risky and difficult. It is not worth blowing out the shoulders or legs to obtain a bigger ego. It is known fact as well as common sense, that more reps equals cut and weight loss. You increase the time you lift and stamina of your muscles. Depleting oxygen supplies burns more calories, as well as taking much longer to lift, and you there by increase your lactic acid concentrations.
So, by spending less time and doing 5-8 reps of your max with rep times of 2-4, you can burn quicker and prevent too much breakdown of muscle.
Check on the page on www.cyberpump.com. I guarantee by incoporating some of the principles of bodybuilding through HIT, you will open your eyes to how the body works and how inefficient multiple sets and reps are.
R&D
| By Anonymous ( - 199.174.218.181) on Friday, March 10, 2000 - 04:48 am: Edit |
I do, they say doing 20 rep squats can be just as productive as 6-8 rep squats. In my opinion a good way to do this would be to do 6-8 rep squats with heavy weight then after a couple of weeks switch to 20 rep squats with slightly lighter weight for a couple of weeks and so on. Switch it up, keep your body guessing. Am I at least partially right?
And cyberpump is probably one of the better weight lifting sights on the net, check it out at:
http://www.cyberpump.com
And while you're at it go to http://www.hardgainer.com and purchase "Beyond Brawn" by Stuart McRobert. Great book and this guy also writes for cyberpump and I love what he has to say about the weightlifting game.
| By Anonymous ( - 130.15.162.30) on Friday, March 10, 2000 - 07:52 am: Edit |
I'm not the biggest fan of the barbell bench press, but when I do use it, I go for the decline bench press, as it is my firm belief that this increases chest size faster then flatout bench and incline. I swear to little jesus in the manger, it sure does work. Couple that with cable cross-overs from the bottom instead of the top (you know, when you bring them up shoulder height from down below), results results results.
| By Anonymous ( - 216.127.82.225) on Friday, March 10, 2000 - 09:58 am: Edit |
hey right now i am taking a pre workout creatine and want to start taking Alpha Lipoic Acid. Should i take the acid before or after my workout?? thanks
| By Anonymous ( - 130.15.162.70) on Friday, March 10, 2000 - 06:21 pm: Edit |
I find I get the best results when I take the lipoic acid with the creatine, both before and after the workout session.
| By Anonymous ( - 205.188.197.24) on Sunday, March 12, 2000 - 02:47 am: Edit |
hey , im 15 and i want to start taking creatine. Whats the best way to take it so I see really good results.
| By Michael ( - 142.165.66.88) on Sunday, March 12, 2000 - 07:48 am: Edit |
Hi, I am a 14 year old weight lifter who is just starting out. I went to my local drug store and asked the pharmasisct about Creation. They said it works well but i am too young to be taking it cause of the stress put on the kidneys. I thought that was all bull so i went to the doctor and he said it is fine just as long as i drink alot of water with it. Does anyone know whick of these is right??? Am i to young to take it???
| By Anonymous ( - 63.160.116.5) on Sunday, March 12, 2000 - 07:17 pm: Edit |
Hey Michael, Creatine is good for you without loading period Because loading period make you body & Your Systems to overload
Bealive me take the Creatine without loading for 1 month
Thanks
| By halonut on Wednesday, March 15, 2000 - 06:48 am: Edit |
I drink alot of iced tea (ginseng/decaf) I have been adding pure creatine or lime flavored creatine phosphate to it when it's brewing because it disolves completely & stays suspended. Is there any problem with this method?? Will the heat compromise or destroy any of the creatine??
Thank you in advance for any responses.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.166.85.50) on Thursday, March 16, 2000 - 01:51 am: Edit |
hi i weigh 163 and take 2 level scoop of creatine monohydrate a day with coolade is that too much
| By Mike ( - 203.134.2.92) on Thursday, March 16, 2000 - 03:43 am: Edit |
HI, I have a question. I am thinking about taking MMUSA liquid Creatine, as i have heard it is really good. Is this true? The only thing that is stoping me is that i used to be 26% bodyfat, through alot of hard work i dropped down to 14%, I have heard that creatine can make you fat????
is this true???
There is a guy in my gym who put on 12 lbs in 3 weeks, but unfortunately it was mostly fat.
Any responds would be apreciated, thank you.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.206.86.127) on Thursday, March 16, 2000 - 06:46 am: Edit |
i dont think it will make you fat if you work out hard while your on it
| By buddyidol@beachlink.com on Thursday, March 16, 2000 - 03:42 pm: Edit |
is it ok to take Creatine with OJ? also when i take supplements i drink a lot of water and then i have to piss all the time. its all good when i am at home but when i am on the road it sucks. anyone have this problem also? i just ordered Optimum Nutrition AndroStack 850 and ProLab CreaVate. has anyone taken them before and how do they work. i am just starting to work out after a long period of laziness. i am really actually starting to enjoy working out. i am doing a bit of boxing training also. i am 21yr 175 / 5'11 what i am after is really to get a cut look and get a bit bigger also. I am in poor shape but luckily i am naturally fairly thin and built but due to my lazy period i lost a lot of muscle and got a little chubby. i am a vegetarian so i have a real low fat diet i guess. i really have to take supplements because i am not getting the good things meats offer. i take a soy protein drink, good fatty acids, Econo sport eat less burn more, and soon Optimum Nutrition AndroStack 850 and ProLab CreaVate. do you all think these supplements will work good together? any advice will be greatly appreciated.
| By Cass ( - 38.248.52.77) on Thursday, March 16, 2000 - 09:47 pm: Edit |
PLEASE respond if you know .....In about a week
I am going to start supplementing for the first time. I'm starting off with protein and
creatine and then after a day or two I'm going to start stacking androstendione
(200mg) androstenediol (100mg) tribulis terrestis (something like that, 900 mg)
DHEA (100 mg) and chrysin (250 mg) all at once 30 minutes before a workout...ONLY WHEN I WORKOUT...do
you think this is ok? too much? not enough? and then when and how much should i
take after the workout? and on none workout days???
| By Kim on Monday, March 20, 2000 - 09:38 pm: Edit |
I would like any information on supplements for women. I do not wish to add mass but to have definition and lose fat. Thanks
| By Obionejabroni ( - 207.41.203.182) on Tuesday, March 21, 2000 - 11:55 am: Edit |
kim wrong bulletin this is about creatine.
| By Mr. Ass ( - 209.246.109.201) on Tuesday, March 21, 2000 - 07:29 pm: Edit |
Kim is such a lazy and inconsiderate BITCH! Why don't you do some research yourself, BITCH?! Or at least post your message in a relevant discussion, BITCH! If you can't find a relevant discussion, start one yourself, BITCH! Good day, BITCH!
| By wri ( - 63.20.65.245) on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 - 02:04 am: Edit |
Cass, I suggest taking creatine, protein, a multivitamin, and l-arginine. You don't need that other crap. The only thing andro has proven is that it makes your breasts bigger and that's about it. Don't load on creatine it's a waste. It's just a way for the companies to make you use more faster so you go out and buy some more. I suggest 10 grams a day. About 10 to 12 hours apart. 5 grams in the morning and 5 AFTER you workout. No more than an hour after you work out. Taking any more than that you'll just piss it out. Depending on your food intake all you need is no more than 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. But make sure the protein you get from your food is quality protein. Like skinless chicken breasts, lean turkey, fish. I take one multivitamin a day in the morning. Then I take arginine before I go to bed , which helps your muscles repair themselves and helps prevent breakdown of muscle. Do this even on your off days. Your diet is a big part of your lifting. If your food isn't right then forget about it. 6 meals a day. I eat 3 food meals and drink 3 meal replacement shakes a day. If you have the time to eat six food meals a day go ahead, because those shakes tend to get expensive.I spend $60.00 a week on this stuff. Hope that helps you out. Good luck!
| By Anonymous ( - 166.90.239.212) on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 - 04:04 am: Edit |
Check out CREATINE.COM. They sell this shit called Creatine Serum, and I hear it's badass. It doesn't give you kidney failure and make you piss nonstop, it just gets absorbed by your muscles just like that. I heard Andro makes your dick shrink, so I won't even roll with that. I'm 6'0, 180, and a football player. I suck. I'm weak. I'm slow. I need to change that. Any other FB players who are extremely fast, I mean dudes who got 40 times in the 4's, please LMK what you're doing to get that crazy-ass speed, email me @ Pimpkool@hotmail.com Thanks
| By Mike L ( - 24.31.3.9) on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 - 09:20 am: Edit |
Well, you heard wrong. I bought 2 bottles of the shit (60 workouts worth) and had no results. Also, I pissed no more frequently than I do normally. Don't waste your money! I have had better results with powdered creatine and am saving money by abandoning their cheap product. Other than a little boost for your workout, this product is useless. I have been using AST's Dymetadrine Extreme for 3 weeks and it gives a monsterous boost and my gains have increased. Also, it costs a hell of a lot more less than Muscle Marketing's ripoff liquid creatine.
| By Kyle ( - 63.28.210.155) on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 - 11:34 am: Edit |
Bodybuilding.com sells that Creatine Serum for WAY cheaper than the company sells it for direct. Just so you know. Had good results with it.
| By Cass ( - 38.248.52.77) on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 - 09:37 pm: Edit |
Thanks wri,
I am eating between 4 -5 meals a day, I really don't have time for more...usually 3 meals and 2 replacemements...as for the creatine, I've been taking 10 grams on workout days and 5 on non workout days, the andro stack I've been taking actually has helped with my workouts, I only take it 3 days a week, 30 -45 minutes before a workout...I don't think it should do any harm as long as I don't take it more often..I plan to stop taking it in about 4 weeks, then cycle off for 4 weeks. If I make significant gains I'll get back on, if not, I won't. I've also started HIT - high intesity training for the first time last night and it kicks your A-S-S!!! I only worked out for little more than 1 hour and I've never been so tired and soar the next day from any workout! This works! I only do 1 set of each excercise with high weight (80% of max) to failure (usually about 8 reps) very slow, 2-3 seconds up and 4 down, then when i come to failure, I hold it for 15 seconds...THAT KILLS!!! It's really not all that fun of a workout but from what I've read it leads to HUGE gains in a matter of weeks...It's very important to rest minimum of 48 hours between workouts though or else it WILL NOT WORK....I'm gonna try it out and keep you informed on how it works for me....see ya!
| By Anonymous ( - 207.253.101.54) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 07:22 am: Edit |
Hello , I have try Andro and Nor-Andro nothing happen. I have make two cycles and nothing. No more endurance, no more power, no more strenght...
What I should take to raise my power, strenght and lean body mass. Someone know MAXABOL from A.S.N., it said is an anabolic and androgenic product without no side effects. I would like to try it if it's a great product or something similar.
| By Obionejabroni ( - 207.41.203.248) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 11:19 am: Edit |
wrong ••••••• bulletin nickel nuts!this is about creatine.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 12:30 pm: Edit |
To point out, L-Glutamine is the most powerful amino acid. It comprises up to 60% of all amino acids in the body and up to 35% of the nitrogen in our bodies.
Much of the reason that people don't gains lies in the fact that, while you work out, you burn glucose and amino acids. This is done through a process called catabolism. Muscle is actually broken down to supply nutrients else where. So if you're not consuming enough protein and amino acids, you're losing out on potential gains.
Additionally, if you don't break past the barrier of what is burned and what is consumed with excess, no gains can be made. Protein is necessary to make the repairs, but to speed recovery and prevent further catabolism, is best to consume L-Glutamine which can be readily assimilated with creatine and taken to the required sites.
The two main pools for amino acids are those consumed external to the body and those found in muscle, and because protein is broken much easier and readily, it is what goes first when you work out too long or don't eat enough. So think about those 2 hour long sessions, or the feeling to skip a meal, it will be why you don't make any gains.
To comment on HIT - High Intensity Training, I follow the principles set forth and designed my own plan. Not simply because lifting is fun, and if you're gonna go the gym 10-20 minutes you might as well spend longer than you drove, but because it has also been found to work when including additional exercises, not just major body parts.
I guarantee anyone who applies the principles of HIT to their workouts will make gains. Yet, I also must state one caveat, that you're diet is that of one that will promote growth and/or weight loss. Don't move forward until you know your diet is solid. Those hundreds of dollars in supplements can't save a bad diet.
HIT training is loads of fun, because it manages to satisfy our strength ego by providing a subsequent increase in weight from week to week. I move up basically 5 lbs a week in most exercises, with rep ranges from 5-8 continuously. Mass gains are much easier and failure comes quicker. Plus, you won't lose so much in the way of amino acids, as you will be spending less time in the gym. My body is typically sore for longer than two days, which is a good indication of some severely torn muscles and the immediate need for protein and amino acids.
As far as creatine goes, it should be considered a conditional supplement, as its progress depends on your diet. It cannot effectively work if your diet is not up to par. Especially since it is largely responsible for protein synthesis and pumping more nutrients into muscles. It is widely known for its water retention properties, but that is because of the increase in volume of the muscle. Through its expansion, the muscle can thereby pump more nutrients needed for repair in which results in quicker recovery, quicker gains, and and more nutrients available.
So when someone says you gain weight on creatine, laugh. Because you don't. If you don't drink water, the anabolic environment required to create more mass and strength will never exist, and so on. Additionally the body can only hold so much creatine at one time and only digest so much at one time (which holds true for protein, as much more than 30g will generally be pissed or excreted, rather than used) and is the reason why you piss more out, and results taper off. The loading phase is simply a quicker way to reach this saturation point, and literally piss away money, especailly with these ridiculous amounts of 10g per serving.
As far as any real experience with andro, I don't have that. But, with close personal friends of ex-users, and a wealth of knowledge, most evidence indicates the best use is for elevating the testosterone levels of older males, ones who don't have such a high level of testosterone as us. This especially the reason why DHEA was created, to raise levels of testosterone for increased sex drive and muscle building ability. If you read Bill Phillip's Sports Supplement Review, he makes the comment that he administered it to his father and that his father was finally able to make gains that he was previously unable to do. It is no where near the amount of testosterone that anabolic steroids offer, and still possesses the charateristics of it. However, I suppose if you're for a 'jolt' of energy, you may try andro as it has shown to increase energy.
Next to protein supplementation, amino acid is another fundamental supplement. Without building blocks you can't expect to repair or rebuild muscle. It has also shown to possess many anabolic properties through its interaction in the body and release a greater amount of Growth Hormone. Speeding recovery should actually be interpreted as greater gains, as recovery is gaining. A muscle cannot recover from working out without growing. The feeling or lactic acid contained within the damaged muscle may have gone, but the muscle is still not recovered. It can take anywhere from 5days to 6 weeks for a muscle to recover, and if you're lifting more than 3 times a week, you're tearing a muscle that has never had the chance to get repaired. What's the point of packing all these supplements into your body if you're ripping the muscle before it is prepared to handle the stress, or the next level of stress.
The last thing. I don't see the point in purchasing these gastly amounts of 400$ worth of supplements per month. Much probably comes from an unknowing GNC rep trying to make money ( as they make commission on the sale of Pro Performance Products). Also, reputable companies who typically sell at a higher price, contain compounds and supplements that eliminate the need for buying vitamins and minerals and nutrients that are otherwise unnecessary.
Understand what the true function of a supplement is before you buy it. Don't spend more than you need on supplements in a month, you're only funding a GNC reps college education. And you can only go as fast as your genetics and diet permit, no matter how much you blow in one day, or time you spend at the gym.
Peace.
R&D
| By Anonymous ( - 203.101.49.128) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 01:14 pm: Edit |
It is now common knowledge that caffeine restricts the effectiveness of creatine uptake, so wouldn't using an ECA stack with creatine, hinder it's effects ? However, l have noticed alot of people discuss using the ECA stack in conjunction with creatine. Is the dosage of caffeine in the ECA stack not great enough to effect the creatine uptake ? Can they still be used together effectively, with smaller caffeine dosages ?
| By Mik ( - 203.134.1.91) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 04:25 pm: Edit |
Hey Guys, I need some serious help. O.k, ive been training at the gym for around 2 years, ive been 100% natural. Today i bought, a protein powder and creatine powder. I have absolutely no idea how to take them, i mean i know all about the loading and all that, i mean, how about the weight training itself, do i go less reps more weight? or what? is it good to take protein and creatine at the same time? Also what do i mix creatine with, will it do to mix it with, glucose and some warm water? Please help me, any input will be apreciated, Thank you.
| By Cass ( - 38.248.52.77) on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 07:26 pm: Edit |
First off, thatnks R&D for the advice...I agree with most of what you said. You should let people know though, that if they are doing HIT properly, it should be painful...or at least extremely strenious while doing you last few reps and then while holding it to failure. By the way,I usually hold my last rep to failure for about 10 -15 seconds...is that what you do? Let me know..thanks.
As for Mike....you really don't need to load on creatine, what I did was take 10 grams (5 during the day and 5 after a workout on workout days) and just 5 grams during a nonworkout day. DO NOT TAKE CREATINE AT THE SAME TIME AS PROTEIN...they will compete with each other for absorption....take the protein in the morning as a breakfast supplement, then take the creatine within 30 minutes of working out, then wait about an hour and take the protein again....it's worked for me....good luck!
| By Craig Matt on Thursday, March 23, 2000 - 11:05 pm: Edit |
I see a lot of people saying that they have noticed gains using creatine, whether it be water retention, muscle gains or whatever. I have cycled on creatine a few times in the past couple years and definitely noticed that I retained a lot of water, and could in fact press a litte more and little longer.
HOWEVER,
I have been working out 100% natural, eating vegan (vegetarian) and I can honestly say that creatine was a waste of money for the gains it offered.
The last time I cycled creatine I weighed 206lbs - was built well and benched about 280 (136% body weight). Above average but not spectacular. I took 8 months off and am now month #3 getting back into it and I weigh 188lbs, bench 260lbs (138% body weight) and I am ripped more than ever.
I have read a A LOT of nutritional literature (thats why I am a Vegan) and the body has an amazing ability to adapt and tell us what it needs.
One of the most common traits of creatine is water retention, well, usually when the body retains water - it is trying to dilute and flush out a toxin that is in our system. What do you think?? Does this make sense?? I hope so.
My advice to young body builders, or someone that is looking to make big gains in a small amount of time, is to stay away from creatine. If you are dead set on using a supplement - TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
A lot of bodybuilders I work out with have the philosophy - If you want to create something terrific and long lasting - do it naturally.
That makes sense to me.
| By Kelly ( - 63.28.210.236) on Friday, March 24, 2000 - 11:30 am: Edit |
Are you kidding? Creatine is the most proven supplement there is! TRY IT OR YOU ARE STUPID! The gains are awesome.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Friday, March 24, 2000 - 08:20 pm: Edit |
Alright to point out an obvious facet of Supplements, they are NATURAL. Everyone that posts here, is searching for information pertaining to natural bodybuilding, not vegan.
When I refer to natural, I mean naturally occuring within our body or the foods we consume. Creatine is the simple combination and reorganization of a few essential amino acids. Additionally, it is also found in its creatine form in meats and fish.
If you have ever read any of the literature on creatine, you will find that it loses its effectiveness with vegetarian diet, and will have to supplement even more so for the lost nutrients.
I am not calling into question your beliefs on eating, but meat and other such animal products contain many nutrients, protein, amino acids and so forth you cannot get through a pure diet of plants.
Water is retained because our body's REQUIRE water. Up to 70% of our muscles are water, which is why if you're consuming only a moderate amount of water, you will be holding onto excess water and hindering muscle production. Additionally, water does act to flush out toxins, but, if you're consuming water on a regular basis, your body will flush water out constantly. Why? Because it has no reason to retain water since it understands that it is getting a consistent amount of water. On the flip side, if you're still not drinking 120 oz of water, but you're drinking tons of soda and/or juice, the body has to extract water from the compound and digest extra, unneeded calories. This is why you maybe further overweight, as water adds to weight and bloating. You can lose up to 5lbs of weight if you consume water regularly.
Yes, creatine retains water, but that is the working mechanism that helps our bodies grow and build. Heck, you retain water if you don't drink enough of it, and you'll still release a toxin through urine regardless of water retention.
There aren't many other supplements that are as successful as creatine proves to be. And because it is naturally occuring, it is safer than resorting to andro, nor-andro, or any of these other unsafe, purportedly effectively supplements.
It seems that after dropping the creatine and taking time off, you gained .2% bodyfat, lost 20 lbs on your bench, and dropped almost 20 lbs weight. Why? Was it muscle? Was it fat?
The thing that people need to get away from is dropping enormous amounts of cash on supplements every month. You will never be able to exceed your genetic capacity for growth without the use of steroids, so do not get fooled into believing that supplements offer the same results. They don't. And until more research, they won't.
As for the HIT post, of course it should hurt, especially for several days after. You'll burn your muscle out even faster and reach a greater level of fatigue. Supplements such as glutamine and creatine are reported to aid recovery and diminish the effects of lactic acid.
I only pause for a few seconds (no count). I personally like lifting, and I am not cutting my working out to 1 set of 5-8 reps, not without some evidence for doing so. Additionally, when I first do an exercise, or as the case for most people, getting into the routine or flow of a new exercise is more difficult and the form and speed maybe sacrificed. So I counteract this by 2 or 3 sets and have awesome results.
Later. Peace.
R&D
| By Cass ( - 38.248.52.77) on Friday, March 24, 2000 - 10:44 pm: Edit |
Another question for you R&D...I'm 23 yearsold, single and like to party on the weekends. I know that alchohol and gaining muscle don't go hand and hand but I am going to drink when I'm out with my friends. No more than 1 or 2 nights a week. Some nights I may drink a little too much and get pretty trashed. I was wondering if this would completely wash my body out of all the nutrients, protein, creatine, or whatever other supplements I would take and what would be the best things to eat the next day? Drink 2 times as much water? Take twice the amount of creatine/protein and other supplements? I'm been lifting seriously now for 4 months and been doing this on the weekends (partying) but my gains have been ok...I'm sure they would be much better if I didn't drink ay all but that's not going to happen for the time being. Maybe in about 5 years after I settle down but not for now. I appreciate your help. Thanks,
-Cass
| By Anonymous ( - 206.172.106.41) on Tuesday, March 28, 2000 - 03:38 am: Edit |
If you absolutely can't stop drinking than I would
suggest you drink a big glass of water between
drinks. It will make you piss a lot but it will
reduce dehydration to your body.
| By Anonymous ( - 209.156.250.186) on Tuesday, March 28, 2000 - 05:57 am: Edit |
I'm a 17 year old soccer player who weight lifts a lot. I am 5'10 and weight 180 pounds i have gained 20 pounds since June using a a weight Gainer Mega Mass 4000 and a creatine. But lately i have stoppen gaining weight i have started going heavier and less reps but nothing works what can i do. And is Cell Tech better than creatine or should i take Andro
| By Cass ( - 38.248.52.77) on Tuesday, March 28, 2000 - 10:18 pm: Edit |
Try HIT - high intesity traing...go to www.cyberpump.com
| By halonut on Sunday, April 02, 2000 - 09:06 am: Edit |
can anyone answer my previous question?? is mixing creatine w/decaf tea when it is brewing ok?? i drink it later as iced tea, does the heat compromise or destroy the creatine in any way?? i like this method because the creatine disolves completely & stays suspended. i use pure creatine powder. any input would be appreciated.
| By chris morris on Sunday, April 02, 2000 - 09:15 am: Edit |
I am 21 years old and just starting to use creatine. I was just wondering what I should be eating, and if I should have any BEER?
Thanks for the advise in advance!!
| By Anonymous ( - 139.142.113.140) on Wednesday, April 05, 2000 - 06:29 am: Edit |
I have only one question and it's a common one. DOES CREATINE HURT WEIGHTLIFTERS UNDER THE AGE OF 18? Thanks for the help.
| By ExxxTremE ( - 38.248.52.77) on Wednesday, April 05, 2000 - 09:54 pm: Edit |
You can drink beer with creatine...I wouldn't at the same time, but wait at least 12 hours after you take it and then get loaded....take 2X as much the next day, since you probably lost alot due to the drinking....and for under 18...it is relatively safe, don't load on it, just stick to 5 grams a day for 6-8 weekd then take 2-4 weekd off, and so on.
| By Anonymous ( - 216.15.44.26) on Thursday, April 06, 2000 - 02:09 am: Edit |
Does your dick shrink if you use creatine?
| By Stern ( - 216.225.173.97) on Thursday, April 06, 2000 - 03:56 am: Edit |
Yeah, so you shouldn't use it 'cause yours is already small enough as it is.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.207.209) on Thursday, April 06, 2000 - 10:28 pm: Edit |
CAN YOU LOAD CREATINE EVERY MONTH WITHOUT TAKING TIME OFF FROM TAKING IT. I HAVE BEEN ON IT FOR OVER A MONTH NOW AND I LOADED LAST MONTH AND I WANT TO LOAD AGAIN BUT I DONT WANT TO STOP TAKING IT. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND.
| By mavlv ( - 152.163.207.208) on Friday, April 07, 2000 - 03:40 am: Edit |
creatine does increase strength i've found, but for me it seems to lose it's effects after about 6 weeks. at that point i will get off it for roughly 1 month, making sure i take in enough protein and the proper nutrients. after 1 month try to load again. i think you'll find that the break from the creatine will help to increase strength next cycle. you're supposed to cycle off it anyway. has anyone ever done "instinctive training?" let me know what you think.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.204.193) on Friday, April 07, 2000 - 04:00 am: Edit |
will it hurt you if you dont cycle off of it because im not going to cycle off it i dont want to loose what i gained
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Friday, April 07, 2000 - 11:37 am: Edit |
Well put it this way. What you gained is basically fake unless supplied proper nutrients, and the results will begin to taper off as creatine receptors become saturated and less receptive, as well as your muscle cells over saturated. Our bodies only hold so much creatine, so cycling off helps to regain the sensitivity of the receptors and create lean, permanent gains.
Protein is your major supplement, but let me ask all of you this, how many of you eat more than 240g of protein a day? Explain the rational behind eating more than 180?
Because if the rule of thumb is 30g, and you can only eat about six meals a day, I don't see where more than 180 can come in? Especially if you are supposed to sleep 8 hours. So this advocation of 50g protein meals doesn't seem logical, nor does full blown supplementation by protein. Carbs serve their purpose and correct time, and I am sure if you looked at your meals, the extra grams of protein are probably being added to that spare tire, because if your body is using carbs or protein, something is being stored, and protein is burned quicker, while carbs are stored as fat much easier.
Consider this when trying to lose weight. It might be one reason you're succeeding at dropping that excess, specifically if you're using a compound such as Hydroxycut which contains HCA, meant to burn carbs, but it is actually burning protein instead.
R&D
| By BUBBA_TORKER on Friday, April 07, 2000 - 03:16 pm: Edit |
Creatine is one of the best supplements to come to the bodybuilding market. It fuels the muscle with ATP for strenuous workouts. It also volumizes water into the muscle cell, giving it that full pumped look. When creatine first came out, it was compared to steroids. This is because steroids cause the body to water in much the same way that creatine does, but water retention in steroids is due to the aromatizing effect when testosterone is actually aromatizing to estrogen. Much the same way that women bloat up when on the menstral cycle. Creatine does not aromatize testosterone because it does not elevate testosterone levels like steroids do. The only effects that are the same is the retention of fluids in the body. Much can be said about it's recovery process, for the bodies need for ATP restoration is greatly needed, and creatine supplies this to the muscle.
It is noted that if you plan to use a creatine supplement, you will need a carbohydrate booster, to deliver creatine into your system. That is why it is recommended to take your creatine with some type of fruit juice, which is a simple carb. There are some creatine products that use Taurine as there carb.booster, such as E.A.S. which is a good product. Muscle-tech's product "CELLTECH" uses dextrose as it's carb booster. As with "any" supplement you use, I would recommend coming off of it for a short period of 30 days to allow the body to rid itself of any toxins in the supplements. Remember, all supplements use various types of fillers, some which require to be flush from your system. Be sure to drink lots of water when you use creatine. To flush the kidneys and keep your body hydrated. Some people ask do you need to eat certain foods while on creatine. My answer is to follow a basic diet. Nothing special is required when using creatine. Can you drink alcohol while on creatine. Sure you can drink, but, remember, alcohol is a diuretic, which flushes fluids from the body. The money you are spending on creatine, which uses fluids to give you the effects, is being flushed down the toilet.
Can I consume enormous amounts of creatine without any negative side effects? Your body will use only what it needs, there for anything extra too will get flushed out of your system, which results in money going down the toilet again. High doses of creatine can give you diarehea, and this causes dehydration of the body, so once again, money down the toilet. Just follow the recommendations on the products, such as preload, and maintenance doses, but remember, if you weight over 200lbs, your maintenance doses will be slightly more than say a 175lb person.
Hope this has been of help to you guys...need info? Drop me a note on any info you need about bodybuilding....E-MAIL...BUBBA_TORKER@YAHOO.COM
Keep Pumping!
| By Anonymous ( - 12.74.97.164) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 01:38 am: Edit |
I have experienced hair loss with the use of creatine is their another product out that is just as effective creatine but minus the side effect of hair loss.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.204.182) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 02:17 am: Edit |
you dont know what the •••• your talkin about creatine does not cause hair loss
| By Anonymous ( - 12.74.97.164) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 02:50 am: Edit |
bullshit i have conducted 4 different test myself you dont know what the •••• you are talking about. Asshole
| By Jefferson Darcy ( - 209.246.95.86) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 02:56 am: Edit |
•••• you! Don't talk about my mother like that, you son of a BITCH! What's that? Are you threatening me? I'd like to see you do that shit to me in person, BITCH! You just try that and I'll ••••••• kill ya! I'll burn your house down while you and your famliy is asleep, asshole! You don't know me. I'm a crazy ass motherfucker! I'll even •••• your dog up the ass and throw his ass into the fire, too! I'll even ram my dick into your turtle's shell and knock that bastard out of his shell! That's right. Even your goddamn turtle is going to be burned to death! "What about my fishes?" you ponder. I'm going to shove them up my ass after I take a shit, without wiping my ass. I'm even going to put some fishes in my urethra if they fit. I better never hear you talking shit about my mother again, unless you want to die.
| By Anonymous ( - 12.74.97.164) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 03:02 am: Edit |
I am so ••••••• scared I will •••• u and your stinking ass mother U just met a motherfucker just as crazy as you bitch!!!!
| By Anonymous ( - 12.74.97.164) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 03:55 am: Edit |
jeff how long did it take u to think of such bizarre evil shit. u r crazy but stupid
| By Jefferson Darcy ( - 209.246.95.86) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 04:13 am: Edit |
Oh, no! I told your punk ass not to talk about my mother again. You really fucked up this time! You clearly don't know me, motherfucker! I am the craziest motherfucker you'll EVER come across. I ••••••• ate a moose during the Gulf war! That son of a bitch drank my water and I said "What the •••• do you think you're doing, you son of a moose?" From that point on, I just ••••••• went CRAZY! I snapped that motherfucker's neck and it served as my supply of food for a week. I like to see you •••• me, BITCH! I'll go crazy on you like I did to the moose. I'll ••••••• kill you! You just ••••••• wait! I'm ••••••• crazy! You just wait! You'll see! You will! You will ••••••• see!
| By Jefferson Darcy ( - 209.246.95.86) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 04:17 am: Edit |
You're going down, motherfucker! Did I ••••••• give you permission to call me "Jeff"? Did I? NO! You're definitely going down, son! Down, ••••••• down! Just wait!
| By Anonymous ( - 12.74.97.164) on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 04:40 am: Edit |
vision hand claps this B-s u r writing is great. Jeff u have a future in fictional writing. Or WWf because we know that shit is fake.
| By Kid on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 06:53 am: Edit |
Hi im 14 and i work out 5 days a week 45 minutes a time. I take creatine but see little results, but have noticesd some, i need a whey powder that works well with creatine and is low in sugar, fat, ect. I also would like to know what glutamine is and what it does, and if it is good with creatine tell me a powder with it, if not, please tell me a non sugar, fat, ect. powder that will work for me-100% whey.
| By kid on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 07:02 am: Edit |
also will creatine work ok with water or no?
| By sensei on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 10:28 am: Edit |
hey R&D,
do you (like) have a book out on all the wonderful information you generously offer our desperate inquiries? your knowledge is priceless and i study your posts on this message board feverishly. my situation is that, i wanna body-shape to a decent size, but not compromise my speed on the paintball field. i guess i'm trying to balance the two out. anyways, thanks for the "good words."
sensei
| By repsup on Sunday, April 09, 2000 - 01:25 pm: Edit |
OK......!
I ahve been hearing a lot of crap been told about Creatin!
First of all it makes your muscels bigger throught the volumizing effect that pumps more water in to your muscells.
The problem is that when yu stop taking it and you did not gain that much more "muscell fiber"
your size will go down for a little bit.
Thry taking L-Glutamine and or Protein from Myoplex so the muscells can build up more muscell tissue and then your muscells will stay that way as long as you work out properly and have a good diet.
Do Not FROGET to drink a lot while using CREATINE
to avoid the muscell cramps and to gain more size!!
Thats all.....Bye
| By kid on Monday, April 10, 2000 - 12:16 am: Edit |
i posted a message above if someone knowledgable could answer it it would help a lot!!!!!
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Monday, April 10, 2000 - 11:21 am: Edit |
Thank you very much sensei. I appreciate the complement, and it is the little things that make posting more enjoyable.
Well, full athletic ability will come through lifting weights. I assume that with paintball, you would most likely want a body that is built on stamina and energy with moderate size, perhaps something nice and cut.
Since stamina and energy sap your energy stores the most, stores of protein and amino acids will be needed. So my advice is to invest in some thermogenic compounds such as Xenadrine or any other quality fat burner with norephedrine and ma huang. These will help preserve muscle while burning fat, or aid in metabolic processes. Try not to be dependent on them. Use them about 4 times a week, perhaps on workout days, and occasionally on other 'off' days between meals.
The protein and amino acids can be taken to preserve muscle and grow new muscle. But keep this in mind, if your body can only consume 30g of protein at anyone time, there is no point in investing in anymore than that at one time. So down about 30g at a meal, no more. The additional protein will become fat, since it will not be used for muscle building, nor burned in activity.
Building some size won't hurt too much, but the biggest problem you would encounter on the field is lack of energy. So work on high reps with medium sets, such as 4 sets at 15 reps, with moderate weight, one in which you would break a sweat, but still be able to complete 15 reps. Cardio wise, vary the intensity during a 30 minute cardio session, about 3 days a week. Drive yourself hard, then slow it down. The point is to keep your body guessing, but not feel like you have to be in the gym for hours upon hours. I religiously spend 1 hour to 1 hour and 15 minutes in the gym, that is all it takes.
Keep these ideas in mind:
***Running long, hard periods of time saps glucose stores and amino/protein stores. You will lose energy and then muscle strength over a long period of time if you're not supplementing properly, regardless of the activity.
***Consider Amino acids, protein, and an ECA stack. Creatine is a wise investment, but don't blow too much money doing it. A month cycle, and then take one off to clear out the body.
***Take amino acids such as glutamine on an empty stomach. It is a free form amino acid, and most efficiently used on an empty stomach (a tip picked up by a wise bodybuilder).
***Amino acids and protein will help preserve muscle while it is used. This is the case with runners. We have a defense mechanism or a safety valve that says to burn protein and muscle before carbs and fat, so by supplementing with amino and protein, we replenish the supply and prevent muscle breakdown, and increase our energy levels.
***Creatine is best taken with a good carb source, unless it is already contained within the product.
I wish you the best of luck, and feel free to post again and again if you need further advice and clarity.
R&D
| By austin Cage on Tuesday, April 11, 2000 - 04:26 am: Edit |
I`m 14 & I want to buy Creatine
Is it safe - Do I have to load"I wanna gain weight" Did the loading Period is danger
Pls. Help me
acage@usa.com
| By HHH ( - 63.70.149.2) on Tuesday, April 11, 2000 - 10:23 pm: Edit |
can u load for over a week and if not what is the longest you should load i also take twice the recomended dosage can that be harmful
| By Juiced pig ( - 161.184.216.51) on Tuesday, April 11, 2000 - 11:16 pm: Edit |
I have personally found no benefit in creatine loading. The suppliment companies say you should, but you use the product quicker and have to buy more, sooner. If you take one serving everyday after your workout or when you wake up on your off days, it will take about 14 days before your mucles are maxxed out. So you have to wait a week longer from not loading, but you have saved a good portion of your creatine and end up with the same result. Taking more than 5 to 10 grams of creatine per day is a waste, you will just squirt it in the toilet. Hope I've been of some help. Good luck, JP.
| By n_m ( - 62.252.240.116) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 12:41 am: Edit |
i agree with JP here, the body cant absorb more than a certain amount in a day, so by loading it, you are as JP said, squirting it down the toilet.
personally i cant take it because i have a very sensitive stomach, anad it doesnt agree with me.
any body tried the liquid creatine? any thoughts?
| By HHH ( - 171.217.194.219) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 01:10 am: Edit |
i heard u can get better benefits from creatine if you take double the recomended dosage so i have been. Has anyone heard that besides me.
| By HHH ( - 171.217.194.219) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 01:17 am: Edit |
also how long should you load maximum
| By HHH ( - 171.217.194.219) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 01:32 am: Edit |
do u have to cycle creatine can you load every month without cycling it and still get some benefits
| By n_m ( - 62.252.236.21) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 04:17 am: Edit |
hhh did you read any of the previous messages?
the two right above your first post said how you dont get any extra benifits from loading your creatine,
this along with doubling the dose are myths created by those who are going to gain money from the rumour!!
yes you should cycle creatine.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.206.206) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 11:28 pm: Edit |
WELL U GUYS DONT KNOW MUCH BECAUSE I GET WAY BETTER RESULTS WHEN I LOAD CREATINE AND I TAKE MORE THAN THE RECOMENDED DOSAGE
| By Anonymous ( - 192.240.95.1) on Wednesday, April 12, 2000 - 11:53 pm: Edit |
I have started taking MET-RX creatine... it cost like 20 bucks for 1000g. is this product going to give me any gains or should i try a different brand?
| By n_m ( - 62.252.240.5) on Thursday, April 13, 2000 - 12:36 am: Edit |
anon who got good gains from doubling the dose...
ever heard of this word...psychological??
it means that if you believe that something will make you bigger, then it probably will.
i bet if i put asprin in the right cintainer, i caould sell it to you at $125 per 30 tabs, and you would swear they were the best results you ever had!!
THE BODY CAN ONLY ABSORB SO MUCH CREATINE!!!!
when you fill the tank of your car, do you fill it so that 4 gallons runs down the side of the car onto the forcourt.
no i dont think so.
so why when taking creatine, do you fill your body so that you piss the excess out???
think about it, will you..
| By Anonymous ( - 205.188.198.184) on Thursday, April 13, 2000 - 04:18 am: Edit |
were is the proof that you cant absorb that much creatine. ill take tripple the amounts and piss it all out i dont give a ••••. ill just buy some more but if it could help why not take more. give me some proff and then ill believe you can only absorb so much.
screw creatine anyway im on roids now anyway
| By Fred on Saturday, April 15, 2000 - 03:37 am: Edit |
I expect to take Creatine AC from Met-Rx, and I would like to know if I can take it just on the training day. Ex: 2 serving on training days (1 before and 1 after training)and nothing on non-workout days.I tell it because Creatine AC contain somes elements that improve uptake in the muscles cells. Can I get the sames results even if I don't respect the recommended use?
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.195.181) on Sunday, April 16, 2000 - 03:40 am: Edit |
what is creatine atp
| By Anonymous ( - 24.113.188.75) on Sunday, April 16, 2000 - 06:55 am: Edit |
I want to gain alot of weight/muscle i started on creatine, how long does it take to start to put on muscle, i work out around 5 times a week
| By R&D ( - 198.114.205.116) on Sunday, April 16, 2000 - 09:45 am: Edit |
Creatine is only one way to pack muscle on. There's a lot of factors that play a part in adding muscle/weight. Your diet, experience, form, intensity, all play a major role in how much you put on. If you're a newbie and have a good diet and don't overtrain, perhaps 10lbs for your first month shouldn't be too overhyped.
After that, results will taper off from creatine usage. It needs to be cycled so that sensitivity is regained for the next cycle. Depending on your program, you don't need to work out 5 days. It has already been proven that you can 23%more strength through weigh training in 1/3 the time of a normal work out, which is considered 3 days (Men's Health).
Lee Priest is impossible, so don't jump on the band wagon thinking it is possible to get that huge and cut without the genetics of Arnold and the drugs of the nearest pharmacy.
Good Luck.
| By Paul ( - 199.78.177.79) on Monday, April 17, 2000 - 04:01 am: Edit |
I would like to know if its safe to take a normal dose of creatine in thhe morning like before work then take one just before you workout that afternoon after work or does one dose contain enough to have an effect that afternoon?
| By OldFella ( - 152.163.197.191) on Monday, April 17, 2000 - 06:07 am: Edit |
What's going on fellas, been taking creatine for about 4 months now with wonderful results. Recently attempted to add whey protein to the fold. This is the NASTIEST stuff I have ever taken in my life!!!!! What the heck do I mix this with?!?
| By R&D ( - 198.114.205.78) on Monday, April 17, 2000 - 10:01 am: Edit |
Whey protein depends upon what flavor you bought. When I buy whey protein, it is usually chocolate flavored, or has a flavor. If it isn't, add it to milk, or chocolate milk. It increases the amount of protein as well.
Protein is your main muscle building compound, so if you don't like the one you bought, find another one. 30g at 6 servings per day, either in meal form or whey is optimal for building muscle.
As a side note, if the greatest amount of protein possible to digest is 30g, I wouldn't consider nor recommend anymore than that, it will be converted to fat. Despite the rip off bargains at GNC, I still buy their whey protein in the 5 lb container. I haven't found a good value on whey protein here at bodybuilding.com at that size. My 5lb container lasted almost 2.5 months; that's a long time.
Creatine ingestion is best about 1/2 hour before working out and 10 minutes before your workout ends. This is to create a higher levelm of energy preceding the workout and provide the needed nutrients to your muscles after the workout. Glutamine, as told to me by wise bodybuilders, is best taken in the morning as it is a free form amino acid.
Good Luck.
R&D
| By BDiamond ( - 192.240.95.1) on Monday, April 17, 2000 - 11:18 am: Edit |
What kind of cycle should i be looking at for creatine. and is taking it half hour before a workout and like 10 minutes after a workout ok?
| By John ( - 195.97.68.244) on Wednesday, April 19, 2000 - 12:36 pm: Edit |
Yep Diamond right,half hour before, and as soon as possible after, and also before you go to sleep is a good idea l think. Most cycles are 8 weeks on/4 weeks off/ first 5-6 days you take 20-25 gr (it depends with your pounds you weigh)seperated equaly (according to the meals you eat every day), and from day 6th or 7th, you take 5-10 gr per day till the 8 weeks finish.
| By BigPoppaPump ( - 209.115.108.58) on Thursday, April 20, 2000 - 06:58 am: Edit |
Ok I am 14 and I just started taking creatine but I don't think my schedule is effective so I have a couple questions What I do is i wake up take creatine on an empty stomach eat lunch lift get home take whey and when i go to bed take another serving of whey. I don't think thats a very good schedule. Also I was wondering If I can take creatine with some kind of juice or something like gatorade, and if I could mix the whey with warm water or warm milk??
| By Anonymous ( - 206.240.150.53) on Saturday, April 22, 2000 - 04:59 am: Edit |
This is addresing Kid's question. At your age there is really only one thing you need to worry about and that is eating right and working out properly. For most people your age taking supliments like creatine is a waste of time. your body is in the middle of the biggest natural anabolic realease since you were a year old. Plus which you are growing right now. Unless you are unusual(I was esentually full grown at 15) you will have to wait till you are done growing to get lots bigger. Eat healthy foods and work out your body will take care of the rest.
| By Tom Molnar on Sunday, April 23, 2000 - 02:27 am: Edit |
It sure is hard to decide what to do with this creatine stuff. Some books say take it before you work out, some say after. And then the opinions of
everyone go on from there. I bought some EAS Phosphagen HP (to go along with a bunch of other stuff from them)(and no, I didn't buy it from EAS. I bought it off the web...) and found that it's loaded with carbs (which it's SUPPOSED to be because of the dextrose 'transport system'). Unfortunately I just spent the past six months on a low carb diet dumping off over 30 pounds of "adipose tissue"(I love that term...) and this injection of carbs all of a sudden is liable to mess up my loss. So, I bought some plain hosphagen
(which is just plain creatine without the extrose) and will try to incorporate that into my schedule (mainly by adding the 5g to my Myoplex Deluxe shake). I read in yet another book on creating that you can either do a "loading phase" where you take the 5g, five times a day for a week and then drop down to a maintainence dose of 5g/day - OR - you can just take the 5g a day for a month and by that time you'll be built up to the same dose as someone who 'loaded' in the beginning.
This is all so confusing..... But, I'm working out, taking in whey, creatine, and vitamins. Life HAS to be good. Struggle on....
| By Anonymous ( - 207.253.101.69) on Monday, April 24, 2000 - 09:04 am: Edit |
Which is the best quality creatine between Ultimate Nutrition and Sportpharma.
| By John ( - 195.97.7.247) on Monday, April 24, 2000 - 11:40 am: Edit |
Just try ANY creatine on the market that has the name "CREAPURE" on any supplement label, its the best creatine available (German). l dont remember if Sportpharma has that also. Creapure means that except of taking 100% pure creatine it means also its clean from any possible impurities.
| By Anonymous ( - 204.186.190.83) on Tuesday, April 25, 2000 - 06:49 am: Edit |
John, Creapure is SKW German creatine. Just
because it doesn't have the Creapure label
doesn't mean it isn't SKW creatine. The agreement
is if you put the logo on your label it MUST
contain SKW from then on.
| By wri ( - 63.20.64.203) on Wednesday, April 26, 2000 - 04:31 am: Edit |
R&D, I'm starting a workout program next week and I'm trying to gain weight. I'm 145lbs pretty skinny. But my problem is I have a pretty good sized beer belly. That belly makes me wanna start working out. From lifting and a good diet if I gain weight is my gut going to get bigger? I want to add size to the rest of my skinny body but I don't want my gut to get any bigger. Help me out if you can. Thanks buddy. Wri
| By John ( - 195.97.3.130) on Wednesday, April 26, 2000 - 09:51 am: Edit |
Yes Anonymous l agree that the companies that have the creapure label in their products, have to pay more money in the SKW Trostberg AG lab. Anyone who is interested to learn more about the best creatine available on the market, and also more things about creatine, go to http://www.creapure.com
About wri, remember if you get more pounds does not mean that you get also fatter, if these pounds are muscle pounds.(Muscle is
| By tea ( - 142.165.92.217) on Friday, April 28, 2000 - 11:33 am: Edit |
is perfect creatine sts good and what is sts
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.213.211) on Saturday, April 29, 2000 - 03:52 am: Edit |
Im from the UK and ive just bought this Joe Weider Creatine, anyone else taking it? its not that expensive, so if anyone knows how good it is tell me?
| By steve ( - 63.23.33.114) on Saturday, April 29, 2000 - 02:20 pm: Edit |
I was looking through a magazine and saw an ad for creatine syrum and it said it was better than the powder, has anyone tried it? If so, does it work good and could you cut down on the amount of water you had to drink (since with the podwer your supposed to drink more water).
| By ianhills on Saturday, April 29, 2000 - 03:41 pm: Edit |
hi all,
i am currentely doing a study on creatine, protein, andro and vitamin / mineral supplements and would welcome your comments on these products including gains, value for money etc. Please be quick though, i only have seven days!!
please email all commenets to ian@hills83.freeserve.co.uk
| By TechnoTom ( - 12.4.135.94) on Saturday, April 29, 2000 - 10:35 pm: Edit |
All you REALLY need is a quality vitamin/mineral supplement and protein (for convenience use only).
As far as creatine and andro go, nobody knows the long-term effects on either of these supplements. Andro was already proven ineffective; however, there are now studies which indicate that if you take higher does, you may see some results. I still don't buy this due to the fact that it could be potentially dangerous.
As far as creatine goes... why would I waste $30/month for a 5 lb. water weight gain?
| By Mark Andrew Poindexter II on Tuesday, May 02, 2000 - 04:18 am: Edit |
I'm just getting started. I want to build lean muscle and burn this baby fat away. Will creatine help?
| By PZA ( - 208.3.198.84) on Wednesday, May 03, 2000 - 10:55 am: Edit |
RE:TECHNO TOM YOU MUST NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CREATINE BECAUSE IT DOES WORK (FOR 95% OF THE PEOPLE IT DOES WORK BUT THERE ARE THE RARE FEW WHO IT DOES NOTHING FOR)AS FOR IT BEING DANGEROUS IT'S NO MORE DANGEROUS THEN THE PROTIEN BEING THAT IT IS A PROTIEN ACTUALLY ITS MADE UP OF THREE DIFFERENT AMINO'S.ALSO THE WATER THAT IT FORCES INTO THE MUSCLES HELP THE MUSCLES SYNTHYSIS PROTIEN BETTER WHICH LEADS TO MORE GROWTH.THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE REPEATING BUT IT DOES WORK AND WORKS WELL.AS FOR THE MULTIVITAMIN/MINERALS THERE GREAT BUT MOST HARD WORKING ATHLETES NEED MORE VITAMIN C&E THEN WHATS IN THE MULTI.ALSO GLUTAMINE IS VERY GOOD AT BUILDING MUSCLE(SEEING AS 60%OF THE FREE AMINOS IN THE MUSCLE SRE GLUTAMINE)JUST ASK ANYONE WHO REALLY KNOWS ABOUT LIFTING AND SUPPLEMENTS AND HE'LL TELL YOU THAT GLUTAMINE IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN CREATINE.PROTIEN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF RECOVERY(THAT AND SLEEP)THIS IS WHAT REPAIRS THE MUSCLES SO UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE KITCHEN PROTIEN POWDERS ARE A MUST.1 TO 1 AND 1 HALF GRAMS PER POUND OF WIEGHT FOR BEST RESULTS.I AGREE THAT ANDRO IS GARBAGE BUT TO SAY THAT CREATINE IS USELESS THAT BULL.ALSO WITH THE MULTI VITAMIN/MINERAL THEY CONTAIN CALCIUM AS FILLERS SO THE ZINC IN THEM DOES NOT GET ABSORBED I RECOMEND A ZINC-MAGNESIUM COMBO TO HELP OUT THE DEFECIENCY THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE.
| By R&D ( - 198.112.103.101) on Wednesday, May 03, 2000 - 08:53 pm: Edit |
Supplements as a whole have not been proven ineffective, and that will hold true for as long as labs continue to use rats instead of humans. Additionally, some studies promote andro, others don't. But the only supplement to consistently pass lab tests as effective is creatine.
However, as aforementioned, you also need good nutrition. Muscles are not wholly made up of protein, but 70% water. There are several essential amino acids not obtained through protein powders that need to be consider before any Andro compounds or creatine though, or the effects of creatine will be non existent.
In the same way you wouldn't solely rely upon the cement for a house, but also the bricks and wood, you also need several other amino acids to boost growth; these include leucine, arginine and ribose. Perhaps because people rarely hear of these nutrients they forget to consider them, but they are important, far more than creatine.
Leucine, in combination with isoleucine and valine , make up 1/3 of protein muscle and aid recovery. Protein is a general term thrown around to mean muscle building, but when considering supplements, you should consider what makes it up as well. Since 1/3 of your muscle is made up of leucine and other constituents, wouldn't you think it necessary to take a BCAA supplement as well? I would.
Additionally, don't forget to consume some portion of carbs with that protein powder, or that it contains it. Carbs are not only required for an insulin responce, but glycogen synthesis, and without it, that precious protein powder will used for energy. Your body would rather create and use energy than build muscle, so by supplying carbs, you can move the protein to the sites where it is needed.
As a side note, a good combination of carbs and protein can elicit the greatest response to hormonal levels. So by taking glutamine, a BCAA and a protein powder, you in effect cover all bases necessary for muscle growth.
In the end, this will make creatine, and possibly for those select few it does not work for, more effective, as the purpose of supplements is to increase growth and productivity, not replace it.
R&D
| By idol ( - 207.1.65.100) on Thursday, May 04, 2000 - 01:38 am: Edit |
i am one of those ppl w/ a high metabolism and it is very difficult for me to gain weight. i work out about 3 days a week (each muscle group once a week). weight gainers have failed me in the past but i want to give it another try. i just started on creatine a few days ago (two 5gm doses/day). im also taking myoplex mass as a meal replacement to maintain about 5-6 meals/day. should i take l-glutamine also? any other suggestions? im 5'8" and weigh about 130-135lbs and wish to be at least 150lbs.
| By PZA ( - 208.33.22.29) on Thursday, May 04, 2000 - 03:03 am: Edit |
RE:IDOL,GLUTAMINE IS A GREAT CHOICE,GLUTAMINE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CREATINE.ALSO UNLIKE CREATINE YOU DON'T CYCLE GLUTAMINE.TAKE 3- 5GRAM DOSAGES FIRST THING IN MORN RIGHT AFTER WORKOUT WITH CREATINE,PROTIEN AND CARBS,AND RIGHT BEFORE BED.THE RESULTS AREN'T DRASTIC BUT OVER THE LONG RUN IT WORKS VERY GOOD.THE MYOPLEX MASS IS GOOD BUT EXPENSIVE,BUT IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT GREAT BUT IF IT GETS TOO EXPENSIVE SWITCH TO A BULK WHEY PROTIEN SUCH AS PROLABS WHEY YOU GET 6LBS FOR ABOUT THE PRICE OF ONE 20 SERVING BOX OF MYOPLEX.AGAIN NOTHING BEATS GOOD WHOLE FOODS,VITAMINS/MINERALS,AND ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS.REMEMBER SUPPLEMENTS ARE JUST THAT SO GET A GOOD DIET AND GOOD REST AND YOU'LL MAKE PROGRESS.A GOOD THING TO DO IF YOU WAKE UP IN THE NIGHT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM MAKE A PROTIEN DRINK AND THEN GO BACK TO SLEEP,I TOO HAVE A FAST METABOLISM THIS TRICK HELPED ME.
| By John ( - 195.97.4.195) on Thursday, May 04, 2000 - 06:16 am: Edit |
To R&D, if you take same 100% whey protein isolate, you dont need to spend more money in order to buy some extra aminos, you can get them from the whey powder. And thats one reason why whey is the most expensive of all proteins, cause it contains also very large amounts of BCAA.
l think you can use BCAA pills, only if you are few weeks away from a contest, and you have ceased all diary foods. (lncluding whey of course).
| By Anonymous ( - 205.145.233.1) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 01:19 am: Edit |
I just started taking creatine. The guy @ GNC recommended liquid drops over powder/tabs. He said no loading period is needed. the instructions say no loading is necessary and take only on workout days just before exercise. Does this sound right?
Is powder or tabs better?
Why put the liquid underneath tongue?
It seems to work...I guess.
KRW
| By KRW ( - 205.145.233.1) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 01:27 am: Edit |
Is liquid creatine as effective as powder or tabs?
Why put liquid under tongue?
It says loading is not necessary for liquid. true?
| By Brelt ( - 149.99.126.57) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 02:58 am: Edit |
Hi, i am almost 14, and have been lifting for about 8 monthes, is it safe for me to use creatine?
| By tea ( - 142.165.222.228) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 03:30 am: Edit |
hello again i asked about perfect creatine sts
dose some one know this product is it good dose it work [iam trying to put on size, i was using [prolab creatine no results]
| By John ( - 195.97.0.172) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 05:22 am: Edit |
lf you did not have good results with prolab creatine, dont expect to have with nature's best perfect creatine, for one very simple reason. The creatine that prolab uses is the best available (look why is the best, in my article in the 26th of April). Maybe you did not take it at the right times, or maybe you belong to that 20% that creatine has no effect on them. l hope it was the first reason.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.204.163) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 05:32 am: Edit |
To be honest, for those with high metabolisms, I would ignore nutrition from GNC and eat whatever looks good. You probably think that is a crazy idea, but hear me out.
I have a friend, Bradley. He is a Personal Trainer, he like you has a very high metabolism, which can work for or against you. First, you won't put much fat on, just muscle as it repairs and he is cut. Of course it is initially tougher to muscle mass on, but in the long run you're better off then your fatter counterparts. Additionally, he has only creatine as a supplement and he is in absolute perfect condition. 6% bf, 20 inch biceps and he is about 210 lbs at 6'4" purely lean. Because of his metabolism, he is able to shovel down what he wants and still pack on massive muscle. We're taking cheeseburgers, soda, beer, this is a good lesson that you can still put muscle on without the spending a weeks paycheck on supplements at GNC.
Glutamine is a critical element that will increase the effectiveness of other supplements and your training. It is needed to recover faster and as an additional component to building muscle. If you reason it out, recovering faster leads to great, quicker gains because the muscle is repairing sooner. The amounts vary, but you may find that between 10g and 20g is most effect. However, in society we have the notion of overloading to produce more results quicker. So perhaps it is just Americanized to load up on everything. Food, calories, protein, creatine, glutamine, etc. Studies come out often addressing the requirements of carbohydrates and protein, and no where has it been officially stated that you only need protein, or 400g of it. Or, that carbs are bad. They're good, for those that believe they're bad.
It has been stated that substances such as a Effervescent Creatine and Creatine Serum are more effective and readily absorbed, but it is not definite nor proven. In most cases it is an assumption, especially when GNC is involved. They are good, to a point, but they make commission (a proven fact) off of their own products and a few others as well. They will often steer you in the direction of money makers instead of effective brands. Often, they base it on price and will coerce you into believing that because it has the same components, it is the same. Hardly. Just because a car has all the same parts, does not mean it is the same car. A BMW might have the same parts as a Ford, but it is the assembly of that vehicle and the quality of testing that make it work.
Good Luck. Peace.
R&D
| By Genetix ( - 12.40.24.130) on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 07:03 pm: Edit |
Everybody Listen, powder creatine is garbage, more than half of it is destroyed by stomach acid. Let me re-phrase , there are many more better products like effervescent creatine with almost complete absorbtion and it is also less expensive. The liquid creatine is not that great either.
Excellent-Effervescent Creatine
Average- Powder Creatine
Poor- Liquid(Creatine is not very stable in liquid form, no matter what kind of liquid form it is)
| By tea ( - 142.165.222.189) on Saturday, May 06, 2000 - 04:22 am: Edit |
i was taking prolab creatine before working out 1/2 hour before.
now i take perfect creatine sts after working out is this better???
when is the best time to workout,
iam going to start working out about 6am is it ok iam starting a part time job mon-fri 9/5, school from 5/8 mon-fri
| By Anonymous ( - 204.186.190.94) on Saturday, May 06, 2000 - 05:52 am: Edit |
Fizzy creatine is garbage. The bicarbonate reacts
with the creatine rendering it inactive.
| By R&D ( - 198.114.205.116) on Saturday, May 06, 2000 - 07:56 am: Edit |
Right, and I am sure everyone who has experienced dramatic gains used effervescent creatine, nope. Most have adopted programs such as those put forth by Bill Phillips and started after witnessing normal individuals make great gains.
The common denominator was that these people had the drive because they believed the products they were buying would provide the gains when they put forth the effort. If you had the same faith in food, I am sure it would come too. However, it is also true that food cannot provide all the required nutrients for growth. It would be impossible, and probably tasteless and non pallatable, to consume foods necessary for growth in replace of supplements. But, supplements are not the answer-all for growth. Can you imagine a world in which maintaining your body required supplements all the time? How terrible would that be? They are a supplement/complement to your already good nutrition.
The powdered creatine has yet to be disproven and the effectiveness of effervescent and liquid creatine is only assumed. Case studies rarely show HUGE increases in gains and strength. But, my personal favorites lie in the powdered protein, meal replacements, protein bars, creatine, multivitamin pills, ECA Stacks and amino acids. These supplements are difficult to obtain in normal consumption and are valuable to growth.
R&D
| By Kylek ( - 24.1.146.180) on Saturday, May 06, 2000 - 11:04 am: Edit |
I am 15 years old, 5'11" and 215 lbs. with somewhere around 20% bodyfat. My family history is for the men to be somewhere around 6'6", so with another 7" to grow is taking creatine and lifting heavy going to affect me any?
| By Anonymous ( - 216.127.82.225) on Sunday, May 07, 2000 - 10:08 pm: Edit |
Hey i just got off using MuscleTechs Cell Tech and was sorely disappointed. i have also used MuscleTechs Creatine and didnt like it either, guess i am a MT sucker. so, to my point, what is everyones FAVORITE creatine? and what have you guys seen as in ways of size and strength? thanks
| By Genetix ( - 206.180.129.146) on Sunday, May 07, 2000 - 11:29 pm: Edit |
Bottom Line: Effervescent Creatine is top notch. Yes, creatine powders , tabs and creatine liquids paved the way, however, effervescent is by far the best with almost complete absorbtion of the creatine into the bloodstream. Companies and people who speak of effervescent creatine in a negative way are doing so because they dont manufacture effervescent creatine and are going to say whatever they can for you to purchase their product. Also, anything Muscletech sells is crap but they are the best liars out there. Powders and liquid work but effervescent works much better.
| By Anonymous ( - 204.186.166.195) on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 02:58 am: Edit |
PROVE IT. Your making claims so show us the proof.
And please don't give us the B.S. study by Fortress systems. That's a joke. If anybody wants
effervescent creatine, put your creatine in 7up.
It's the same thing. Micronized creatine from
SKW Germany is THE BEST IN THE WORLD. PERIOD.
| By Anonymous ( - 209.253.120.222) on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 05:07 am: Edit |
can someone tell me how to measure your body fat or what device to buy to measure it? PLEASE!!!!! help on this subject
| By John ( - 212.120.195.240) on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 05:19 am: Edit |
The chepeast method is to buy fat calibers.
| By petchr on Wednesday, May 10, 2000 - 05:20 am: Edit |
Are there any women out there who have tried the new creatine for females? It claims to not cause water retention which is, something we hate!I am trying to decide whether or not to try it but I want to research it some more first. Thanks
| By idol ( - 208.202.167.158) on Thursday, May 11, 2000 - 01:01 am: Edit |
i read somewhere that one should not take creatine with food, nor during workouts. Could someone explain whether these are true and why?
| By John ( - 212.120.199.185) on Thursday, May 11, 2000 - 05:40 am: Edit |
lts better to take always your creatine in an empty stomach for better absorbion, and about not to take creatine during workouts its wrong l think, because l have tried creatine mixed with carbo fuel and water and l had very good results at the gym. And l am sure that my better workouts were not only by carbo fuel.
| By Anonymous ( - 207.1.65.80) on Friday, May 12, 2000 - 05:52 am: Edit |
ok...im confused. it says on my creatine jar to cycle every 15 days. others say 6 weeks. which one is it really? does it matter? some say 5g/day is more than enough. others say at least 10g/day...doesnt it depend on a person's weight? how does one determine how much to take so not too much is wasted?
| By John ( - 212.120.194.26) on Friday, May 12, 2000 - 10:49 am: Edit |
First time to hear that some supplement company, says to cycle its creatine every 15 days, l wonder which brand is that. 6-8 weeks is the most common to cycle your creatine, leaving 4 weeks off. And of course it has to do with your pounds, a 140 pound guy, can not take the same quantity with a 250pound. l personally believe that you can not have better results if you take more than 8gr of creatine per day in the maintenance phase, but Bill Phillips says at his book to take around 20gr also after your loading phase. (Not to decrease the quantity). Another theory says to multiply your weight by 0,03 for the maintenance period, in order to find how many grams you have to take every day, and when you are loading creatine to multiply your pounds by 0,33. l guess the truth (since no one can give you an 100% correct answer of how to take creatine till more researches are done)is to take around 15-25gr on your loading phase, and 4-10gr at the maintenance.
| By R&D ( - 152.163.197.203) on Friday, May 12, 2000 - 12:36 pm: Edit |
Let me point you to a sight that offers some profound insight into the world of supplementation and bodybuilding. After drudgin through millions of sites, I stumbled upon one a couple of months back that has provided some not-so revolutionary ideas on building quality muscle quick. www.ast-ss.com
Now some of you have already made reference, and if there is one site that makes great logic, this is it. And today I realized something, I have alot of friends who have been lifting for years and following some of the cutting edge principles posted in magazines and came to a conclusion: I cannot think of one exercise or routine that has offered any results to any large number of people. Honestly, I am sure that a number of you have experienced results to some degree, but nothing that these supplement companies have boasted of.
But I am also sure it is no lie that any of Bill Phillips customer or contest winners are flukes, I am positive supplements have that possiblity. I do not think the avergae is only 5-10 of muscle a year, that should be the amount per month. Most of us have probably been held back by fale images only used to make cash for companies trying to make a buck through magazine advertisements.
It's no contest every company tries to justify their own product and state why it would work. Case in point: Creatine. The recommended dosage behind it is about 20g, and until recently, I did't believe it. But, creatine in the body has a saturation point, and it is at that point that the body will retain or drive the greatest amount of water into cells. After the body is saturated, it cannot hold more, and it piss off the rest until you build the most amount of muscle from that cycle.
But at the same time, you an also supplement with glutamine, a critical amino acid. However, this should be taken when you wake up and before you go to bed, as it will be most effective at this time. Additionally, consume it alone or with protein, but not creatine. Glutamine and creatine attach to the same receptor and are transmitted the same, so competition will result between the two and you will not maximize your gains.
Also, having a protein shake before bed seems to increase GH levels at night and helps with repair. There's a world of info, but there is a lot to be said for research and separating fact from myth. As much as the magazines look good, I haven't seen one workout be too effective, nor believed that conventional methods work.
R&D
| By psychosid on Sunday, May 14, 2000 - 01:19 am: Edit |
R&D is right about ast-ss.com. They have awesome products. I use the Dymetadrine Xtreme and Creatine HSC. I have tried other products and I find that these work the best for me. They use micronized creatine, which is just saying that it is a finer crystal so it will absorb into the body quicker and easier. I have one word of advice for creatine users: if you mix it with juice/water make sure to give the glass a quick rinse and drink the rest. Creatine does not mix very easily and you can lose some of it because it will stick to the sides of the glass. Before I took the Creatine HSC i tried Pro-Performance creatine (which I didn't like as much), and I took a tablespoon right into my mouth (without mixing) and washed it down with a glass of water mixed with 4 tablespoons of dextrose. Creatine HSC includes dextrose, so the task of absorbing it is easier. Good luck to everyone with their programs and finding the proper combo of supplements!
| By Mark ( - 216.234.161.71) on Sunday, May 14, 2000 - 07:55 am: Edit |
Hi - Can I take Adipokinetix, guggubolics, and diet fuel together to lose fat, is this a good idea? what are some side-effects with taking these supplements? thanks in advance!
| By Rob ( - 63.204.250.120) on Sunday, May 14, 2000 - 10:44 am: Edit |
Has anyone used creatine gum yet? I haven't seen any big name companies carry it yet but I know it exists. Let me know what you have heard about it and how it is working for you.
| By Anonymous ( - 208.202.167.158) on Sunday, May 14, 2000 - 09:27 pm: Edit |
How's this for a weight gain plan (i can only workout at night):
7am myoplex mass with glutamine
8:30am meal
12noon meal
3pm myoplex mass or meal
7pm meal
7:30pm workout
9pm creatine (right after workout)
10pm myoplex mass with glutamine
should i use whey protein shake instead of myoplex mass?
| By John ( - 212.120.194.31) on Monday, May 15, 2000 - 05:55 am: Edit |
About Mark, l think it would be some kind of risky to take all of them together, that contain, ephedrine, guarana, (ripped fuel), norephedrine, and yohimbe (adipokinetix). About guggulsterone, medical researches had said that its safe. lf you want to take something that has ephedrine, caffeine, and guggulsterone, but not to include also yohimbe cause l think its too much. (Very big increase of heart beats), and also not to connect 2,3 products but one, take Thermogenic Thyrolean from prolab.
| By Jimmy on Wednesday, May 17, 2000 - 03:46 am: Edit |
Ok some people say to take creatine before a workout and some people say after, I want to know which one is the •••••• best!!!
| By Jimmy on Wednesday, May 17, 2000 - 08:28 am: Edit |
Another thing, I was told that is you are taking creatine and you went to a nightclub or bar on the weekend and were drinking you would just piss it all out! is this true?
| By John ( - 212.120.199.208) on Wednesday, May 17, 2000 - 10:07 am: Edit |
When you wake up, before you train, after you train, and before you go to sleep. All the theories are right, and you have to experience by yourself when you will see better results. But the best of all is immediately AFTER your workout.
About the other thing you wrote, dont forget that NEVER supplements, or drugs, had a good relationship with alcohol. But l dont think one glass of whiskey or beer per week, will damage the creatine you have consumed.
| By Sativa ( - 12.40.25.98) on Wednesday, May 17, 2000 - 05:58 pm: Edit |
Good Advice, for me personally creatine in the morning first thing or right after a workout, take it to the gym with you. Also most know that there are powder, liquid, and effervescent forms of creatine. Powder paved the way. However, effervescent in my opinion is the best. Why? First Reason- I have had better gains off effervescent and Second Reason- myself and 3 other friends had our creatine levels checked by a blood sample while we were on powder and effervescent and the effervescent blood sample was about 40% higher than the powder so for better results I would use effervescent creatine preferably Muscle Link's brand. Just a little information that I thought would help.
| By tea ( - 142.165.92.25) on Friday, May 19, 2000 - 08:04 am: Edit |
hello again Iam 5/7 178lbs 30years old i have alot of freinds telling me iam getting great results that ask what iam taking prefect creatine sts.
I dont have much fat on my body but i do have some on my abs i can see them but not as great as i would like to,can someone tell me how to get them out and as for my hight,weight how dose it match. Is there a chart out there for your hight,weight,age
| By R&D ( - 205.188.197.31) on Saturday, May 20, 2000 - 11:17 am: Edit |
First off, I am sure if you check the net, some typeof chart will be found, but 178lbs is a good weight, especially at 5'7". Good job. To rid your body of fat, you must drop you caloric intake below your caloric expenditure, basically burn more calories than you consume. Yet, it is easier to modify your diet to lose weight than up cardio, right? I mean dropping 150 calories through your diet is easier than doing the same on a stepper.
Do no think by dropping carbs this will be attainable either, your diet in its entirety must be modified, by lowering the whole amount. Additionally, make sure protein consumption is high so that you do not lose mass. You can continue to lift and maintain a high protein diet, but make sure the cardio is opposite the lifting. Meaning, cardio at night, lifting in the morning, or vice versus. Doing high reps with low weight will only advance fatigue and catabolism, killing your metabolism and mass. So no matter what people say, fat is lost through dieting and cardio and not light weight lifting.
I mean, how is something intended for muscle stimulus expected to produce aerobic cardio benefit. It doesn't, that's how. You actually lose muscle through high rep/low weight training. By lifting heavy and dieting, you will still be able to remain lean, while gaining mass and losing fat.
Additionally, studies have been conducted on effervescent creatine and it has been proven it is not nearly as effective as powdered. First, it has that nice carbonic effect which causes bloating. Can we say the feeling the water retention? And, the creatine does not mix as well, either, leaving crucial amounts scattered throughout the mixture. Its uptake has never been proven, simply theorized. These so called revolutionary creatines are simply knocked off ideas from companies who have none of their own. Science does not back their claims, only logic.
| By Anonymous ( - 204.186.190.32) on Sunday, May 21, 2000 - 05:52 am: Edit |
John, I can't respond below because I'm banned at
certain topics. The H.O.
| By John ( - 195.97.7.134) on Sunday, May 21, 2000 - 06:48 am: Edit |
lts ok, even though l did not understand who banned you and for what reason. l guess you have read the last week's responses from there, l dont know if you agreed with me or not, but l always welcome even negatives comments as long as they are in proper form. (We have democracy for God's shake)! l hope you understood that what l wanted was to make a good constructive discussion with the guys there. Even though there was no way to agree with me, (and l really dont care that they did not), its their opinion and l respect it, but what makes me feel bad is that when some guys run out of good valid documents, they start being very rude to you, just because they can not find anything else to defend themselves.
| By Jimmy on Monday, May 22, 2000 - 10:06 am: Edit |
I started lifting seriously about 2 months ago at the gym 5 days per week, i started creatine last week and have just started whey protien. My question is i go out to the clubs every saturday night and get railed. Is this effecting the creatine and my progress. I don't want to stop drinking really. i drink Jim Beam and coke
| By Anonymous ( - 63.212.148.157) on Saturday, May 27, 2000 - 04:48 am: Edit |
The other day I ordered 325g of AST Micronized Creatine from this site. Does anyone know if this is quality stuff? From what I've read, loading is full of shit. This stuff says for the maintenance dosage to take 5 mg per dose, so if I'm not gonna load, maybe should I take 8-10mg per dose? I'm not sure about this so I am seeking assistance. Thank you very much.
The Russian
| By Ron S ( - 206.186.146.171) on Saturday, May 27, 2000 - 11:50 pm: Edit |
Ast makes quality products. I also think that loading is still a good idea. It saturates your muscles....which is good. maintaince of at least 5g (not mg) is sufficient. Hope I was of some help.
| By Anonymous ( - 166.90.231.149) on Sunday, May 28, 2000 - 05:19 am: Edit |
Hey everybody, I have a question I hope you guys could answer. My football training starts July 10th, and I just started taking creatine today, May 28th. Now I'm trying to get bigger and stronger and faster for football, but I'll be off the cycle before the tenth. So on that off time from taking the creatine, will I lose the strength and size at all? If so, do you reccommend any products to take on the off cycle of the creatine? No prohormones though, because I have a history of baldness in my family and stuff, and quite frankly, being bald at 15 isn't exactly chick-magnet fashion. Thanks!
The Russian
| By John ( - 212.120.193.138) on Sunday, May 28, 2000 - 06:23 am: Edit |
Many people will disagree with me, but l would recommend you 3 ideas. The first is to take some HMB. HMB, which stands for ß-hydroxy-ß-methylbutyrate, is a metabolite of the amino acid leucine. It appears to upgrade the body's natural potential to build muscle and burn fat by minimizing the muscle tissue breakdown that occurs after all intense exercise sessions. l personally took HMB when l had just finished my creatine cycle. l did not have more strength but also l did not lose the benefits of my creatine cycle. (l did not lose my strength).
Also l would recommend to try D-ribose. Some people say its also scam, some others are big believers that it works. Ribose is another element that is essential to the production of energy. Ribose is a five-carbon sugar that is naturally produced by the body and has an important role as a structural component of ATP. Scientific studies suggest that adding ribose to an ATP depleted muscle environment can stimulate recovery of ATP levels.
Last but not least, if you dont take glutamine, add it to your supplements. The best thing about glutamine is that you dont have to cycle it, and your body can has continuous benefits from it.
| By .ruck on Sunday, May 28, 2000 - 09:32 pm: Edit |
No, creatine is shitty. Please dont buy it. All it does is temporarily put water in your muscles. It makes you look bigger momentarily, but your not stronger. If you want to get big buy Testatropinol from here and stack if with HGF-1 and Dyma-bol 300 and Humagro.
| By Anonymous ( - 63.225.215.178) on Monday, May 29, 2000 - 11:03 pm: Edit |
Hello I am 12 years old and I weigh 120 pounds I was wondering if it would hurt me or my muscles if I started to take creatine monohydrate? I have been weight lifting for 3 or 4 months now and I want to start taking creatine monohydrtae should I?
Will I have any side affects if I do take it since I am still growing?
| By Anonymous ( - 166.90.226.174) on Wednesday, May 31, 2000 - 03:49 am: Edit |
Hey what's up you sick boosters! Dude I've been taking AST Micronized for like 3 days and this stuff is pretty good man. I've already noticed I'm stronger and can lift longer. My bench has gone up like 5-maybe10 pounds with one weight lifting session. My squat went up like 15 pounds. This stuff is awesome. But I guess the gains stop after like a month because you get used to it and all. I guess AST's Dymetadrine Xtreme is supposed to be pretty cool, and you don't get used to it or anything. Anyone try this? Is it any good? My bench is only like 165, because I'm only 14, but I'm trying to get in the upper echelon of my team, and this crap is certainly helping me get there
| By R&D ( - 205.188.196.57) on Friday, June 02, 2000 - 05:16 am: Edit |
If there's any compounds where results are unknown it is the prohormone boosters. You'll often find that the most reputable (and consistently successful stick with what works: EAS, AST). They rarely fly off the handle and make ridiculous claims about products that simulate steroids, because, let's face it, nothing does yet.
The best drug known to man for maximizing gains is diet. All the prohormones and creatine won't do a damn thing if you do not consume enough protein. Perhaps double your body weight sounds ridiculous, but if you want to bulk, fat sure as hell don't build muscle, and carbs are even less likely to. For you people not experiencing gains, more protein is needed. As it is the essential building block of muscle, it is the only thing that can be synthesized to build more muscle.
Additionally, a multivitamin is a great addition. You get all the nutrients, in their full, recommended dosages, no hassle. Coupled with a high protein diet, you have a winning mass building program. Carbs are tasty, but MRP's are a tasty treat, and no one says that you have to make a protein drink the same way it comes out of the box or package. One reason Bill Phillips and EAS are so successful is that their programs is less rigid, and you will also notice they nutrition is the basis for their success. EAS Shakes can be very tasty when combined with other things such as fruits and different drinks.
Strength will not be lost if you consume enough protein. One reason creatine is so effective is that it maximizes the cell volume, thereby making it possible to jam more amino acids and fluids into the cell. More of these things equals more growth and greater recovery, which is the road to greater gains.
Many hype creatine as a water retention supplement, however, that only holds true if that is all you do. A diet low in protein will not utilize this anabolic environment created by the creatine. Additionally, H20 attaches to Carbohydrates, so if you're consuming too many (let's say above 280-300/day, and they're simple carbs) then a lot of excess water is also due to a high carb diet. Many of you probably feel bloated when consuming too many carbs, I am sure.
AST Sports is my personal favorite. Many people complain about EAS and perhaps AST (but they do have better prices), but alot of the supplements they research and discover contain cutting edge compounds. Take for instance Nytro Pro-40 by AST Sports Science. This MRP contains 40g of protein, dozens of amino acids, 100% of every vitamin, and NAC.
NAC is a compound (N-acetyl - cysteine) that has been discovered to promote fat loss and lean mass gain, and even block much of the catabolism that occurs from lifting. Instead of having to buy this product separately, or pop pills for it, it is already in your meal, and you can drink it whenever, especially after lifting. EAS also contains many of the compounds that can be bought separately, such as CLA and V2G. EAS also sells these compounds.
If an MRP encompasses all these nutrients, it is less work on your part, and all the better since you're getting important nutritents.
R&D
| By Anonymous ( - 205.188.197.177) on Saturday, June 03, 2000 - 04:30 am: Edit |
Hey 12 year old dude. Dont take any supplements while you are still growing. It will mess up your growth spirts. DONT EVEN START LIFTING UNTILL YOUR AT LEAST 15!
| By Greg K. on Monday, June 05, 2000 - 12:21 am: Edit |
Hey I used MUSCLETECH's CELL-TECH and it's a real BOMB!!! I gained 55lbs in 3 days and my benchpress went up from 220lbs to 350lbs My arms mesure like 27'!!! I love this stuff!!!I plan to compete in Mr Olynpia this year and also in the world's strongest men contest
MUSCLETECH RULES
Greg
| By Priest ( - 24.113.136.137) on Monday, June 05, 2000 - 10:08 am: Edit |
Hey guys, I just started taking zmass pm and Creatine, is this a good combo, any info would be great.
Priest
| By johnj ( - 63.227.244.120) on Monday, June 05, 2000 - 10:41 am: Edit |
You're right, zmass is awesome. Just make sure you don't eat for like an hour before taking it. I always ate and didn't get results until I realized I was screwing up. Good Luck!!!!
| By Priest ( - 24.113.136.137) on Monday, June 05, 2000 - 08:18 pm: Edit |
Thanks Johnj. Hey R&D you got any info on taking creatine with zmass pm? You seem to know alot about this stuff so I was hoping you could help me out. I also want to take hydroxycut with it, how should I do this, or should i?
Thanks-Priest
| By dwight ( - 208.49.238.132) on Tuesday, June 06, 2000 - 11:50 pm: Edit |
A new line of research suggests the ideal way to take creatine is to rub about half a tablespoon into your gums. You must work it in until fully assimilated. This way, the creatine is absorbed MUCH faster than normal, and it's efficiency is enhanced, therefore actual dosages required to work, are far less than if ingested through the stomach. This should be taken 20mins before you workout.
The principle of absorbtion into the body is similar to that that is implemented by cocaine users.
| By Anonymous ( - 152.163.197.184) on Thursday, June 08, 2000 - 01:37 am: Edit |
is betagen creatine any good?
| By ptguy ( - 63.227.244.120) on Thursday, June 08, 2000 - 09:35 am: Edit |
Betagen is one of the best ways to get creatine, although it is a little spendy. I use Creatine HSC from AST. It's good stuff, without the big EAS prices. If you try it, let me know if you like it.
| By PZA ( - 207.41.203.68) on Thursday, June 08, 2000 - 10:55 am: Edit |
betagen is one of the worst ways to get creatine.theres only 2 grams per serving,and if you take the 3 recommended doses a day you'll use a whole container in just on month.also this product cost around 70 some dollars for a month worth.yes i know it contains hmb(which does absolutly nothing in most people)but if you just want creatine this is a shitty product to get.also if you wanted the same ingredients for alot cheaper use met-rx mass action.i personaly think reg.creatine in micronized form is best,because pre mixed formulas have a problem which is creatine and the carbs they use dont way the same so you never know what dosage your getting.
| By Anonymous ( - 193.79.128.38) on Thursday, June 08, 2000 - 01:28 pm: Edit |
Creatine doesn't seem to work for me, should I try a special Creatine drink mix like AST's Creatine HSC? Or should I just take something else altogether???
Please tell me your experience with those special drink mixes. Tell me which product of which brand worked for you??
| By Priest ( - 24.113.136.137) on Friday, June 09, 2000 - 06:28 am: Edit |
Can anyone here please tell me about there experience using creatine and any zmass product, I'm taking both, work out 4-5 times and week and I'm wondering what to expect. Tell me about your gains in strength and size.
Thanks Alot
| By PZA ( - 208.3.198.232) on Friday, June 09, 2000 - 08:49 am: Edit |
to anon there is about 10% of the people who take creatine who it does nothing for,you might be in this 10%.have you taking it right?some people say loading is a waste but if i dont load it doesn't work to go for me either.i take 20 grams for 5days(4-5 gram dosages aday)then i take 5-7 grams after for 6 weeks then i stop for 3 weeks and repeat.i take my creatine with grape juice and lots of water,i have tried all kinds of pre mixed formula's and they worked as good as the pure creatine with grape juice so i stick with the pure because its alot cheaper.when you take make sure you take after you lift(except for the loading phase were i take 5grams first thing in morn,5-45 mins before lifting,then 10 after)but after you load you should take after you lift when your body is ready to absorb more readily.
| By Anonymous ( - 216.248.76.11) on Saturday, June 10, 2000 - 07:39 am: Edit |
Which is better phosphocreatine or creatine monohydrate?
| By Anonymous ( - 152.38.26.1) on Monday, August 21, 2000 - 08:07 pm: Edit |
I am just beginning to take Creatine Monohydrate. The directions say to load by taking 1 tsp 3 time daily for a week then to take 1 tsp 2 daily in the maintance phase. I have read a lot of people load with larger doses. What is the best strategy for loading and maintance?
| By John ( - 194.30.248.60) on Tuesday, August 22, 2000 - 09:51 am: Edit |
The best is to take 20gr for the first 5 days, seperated by 4 equal doses of 5gr each, and from the 6th till your last day of your cycle to take just 5gr per day.
But there is another theory that says, that even if you start without a loading phase (taking 5gr from the first till your last day of your cycle), you can have the same results, but since this debate is very controversial of which cycle is the best, its up to you to decide which one you will follow.
| By greg ( - 208.28.61.223) on Saturday, August 26, 2000 - 09:44 am: Edit |
when do i take my creatine on off days? (non training days)
| By John ( - 194.30.248.176) on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 10:09 am: Edit |
2.5gr (half a tea spoon) first thing in the morning, and again last thing before you go to sleep take another 2.5gr at your non training days.
| By Martin ( - 24.112.158.229) on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 08:33 am: Edit |
Ok, loading is bullshit thats just the companies way of getting you to buy more. Also most of the gains you make is just water weight. So you may think you look big but once you stop taking it, (and you will stop taking, unless you wanna ruin your kidneys) you lose all that water weight which makes you look big, and you will be back to square one. If you want REAL gains eat a shitload of protein, and lift as heavy as you can as much as you can, sleep lots, avoid cardio, and drink gallons of water.
| By John ( - 194.30.248.253) on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 10:42 am: Edit |
Martin, l don't disagree but l don't agree also with you. l have read also that loading phase is bullshit, but l know the one and only scientific study that have made about Creatine effectiveness, either using loading phase or not.
So both groups have experienced the same results, BUT the group that did not use the maintenance phase, was using Creatine for first time. What that means? Maybe many, maybe nothing, but what l really believe is the theory that whatever you use for very first time, (and it works of course)you will experience pretty good results.
l believe that if these two group subjects have taken Creatine again some times before this test, the loading group would experience better results than the maintenance group.
So more studies must be done in order to get more accurate scientific evidences about this controversial subject.
| By Anonymous ( - 62.172.221.130) on Thursday, August 31, 2000 - 06:10 pm: Edit |
i know this question has arisen in the past: but never a straightforward answer. can you take creatine monohydrate and hydroxycut (or fatburners) at the same time:some say no problem others say the two counter effect each other. does anyone know the answer?
| By John ( - 194.30.248.210) on Thursday, August 31, 2000 - 11:42 pm: Edit |
l have answered this question at least 10 times so far, so you should read more carefully the message board.
Ok, let me say it one more time. With creatine you supposed to get some pounds, (even if they are mostly water and some kind of muscle pounds), but with any fat burner, you supposed to lose weight, right? So since is impossible at the same time to gain muscle and to lose weight (ie from 200 pounds with 10% bodyfat, to become with this stack 210 pounds with 8% bodyfat), its better instead of throwing money away, to start either a "bulking phase" or a "dieting phase".
And one last thing. Even if that was possible (to get bigger but leaner at the same time), Caffeine (since 90% of fat burners contain it), destroys the action of Creatine, and some scientific studies have said that even if you take them 5 hours seperately, you still won't get the optimum advantage of Creatine. So the combination of them is a big no no.
| By garrym ( - 62.172.221.130) on Friday, September 01, 2000 - 06:20 pm: Edit |
cheers john...
| By willy ( - 63.24.221.26) on Monday, September 04, 2000 - 04:10 am: Edit |
john,with creatine i'll have to give up coffee.wow!tell me its not true
| By John ( - 194.30.248.34) on Monday, September 04, 2000 - 11:41 am: Edit |
Sorry willy but it is. l have read some scientific study that held 2 years ago, if Caffeine actually blocks the efficiency of Creatine, and they found that if you take your coffee in a period closer of 4-5 hours with the consumption of Creatine you won't experience the same good results if you did not consume Caffeine at all. (They split two groups, in one of them they gave Caffeine in a very close time with Creatine, and the other group was taking only Creatine, and they found that the second group had 10-20% better results than the first one).
But l believe willy, if you drink one cup of coffee early in the morning, and you take the Creatine supplementation after your weight training (usually at the afternoon right)?, this 5 hour handicap has been passed, and you are ok.
| By gopher ( - 24.178.48.8) on Monday, September 04, 2000 - 01:40 pm: Edit |
I can't remember where I read this but I seem to recall that in the caffeine/creatine study subjs were given very large amounts of caffeine equivalent to 5 cups of coffee. One theory behind the reduced effectiveness of creatine when combined w/ caffeine is that caffeine can dehydrate you and creatine requires fuild for cell volumization. As John said in this study the caffiene and creatine were taken close together. I don't think anyone has done a study in which there was several hours between the caffeine & create intake. My guess is that if you drink plenty of water throughout the day a morning cup of coffee wont hurt you.
| By willy ( - 63.20.51.182) on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 03:01 am: Edit |
john,just got some prolab creatine.hate grape juice,will have to mix with water..any other mixers you can suggest.i hear oj is a no-no.not gonna load just 5grams per day (after workout)followed by nlarge an hour later
| By fitforlife ( - 208.190.252.33) on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 03:45 am: Edit |
Exactly what I do 5g before workout, and N-Large after workout.
Apple Juice? Kool-Aid is cheap.
| By John ( - 212.120.193.98) on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 05:43 am: Edit |
l agree with fitforlife about Apple Juice, it has the highest glycemix index after Grape Juice.
Also gooseberry juice has one of the highest glycemix indexes for fruits.
Now about consumption, its totally fine for me to take IMMEDIATELY after your workout both N-Large and Prolab's creatine, mixed in one of the juices l have just mentioned.
You don't have to wait an hour to eat after your weight training, cause your body is in a catabolic state, and it tries desperately to supply itself by its amino acids. (And guess from where it finds them. From your hard earned muscles)!
| By FATATTACK (12.145.208.12) on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 09:03 pm: Edit |
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| By H (205.188.193.154) on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 06:16 am: Edit |
Hey Big Cat>-- heres my question. What is the BEST STACK for putting on a shitload of muscle mass. I want the stack to be safe too though, with litte or no side affects apart from the minor ones like the shits etc. Any advice?? Thanks.
| By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.102) on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 02:46 pm: Edit |
Food, weight gainer, food, Vitamin C, food, B-complex vitamin, food, dessicated liver, food, ZMA, food and food.
Kinda repetitive, but this is a great stack for mass, but 90% of it comes from just food. You need at least 18-22 cals per pound of bodyweight. The only side-effect from this is feeling bloated because you ate too much and some foul smelling gass from the liver tabs.
| By H (152.163.197.182) on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 06:15 am: Edit |
Oh. Can you explain the benefits of ZMA and dissicated liver? ANy side effects and what do they do that creatine doesnt?
| By RyanW (209.214.185.198) on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 09:41 am: Edit |
Go to the "bodybuilders articles" section of BB.com and read Big Cat's articles on supplement stacks, etc. All is fully explained. Hell, read all of Cat's articles while you're at it. BIG GOOD INFO.
Short explanation: ZMA: provides extra absorbable Zinc which is rapidly depleted by body builders, provides GREAT sleep, boosts Test levels BIG TIME.
Des. Liver: creates anabolic environ. via extra aas, b comp vits, and added h20 retention.
RyanW