Well truthfully they arent that bad, lol, But how can I get a little extra fat off my nips man
What can I do or when i stop my builking up stage I will lose some of the little fat. Im on some andro right now and is there a chance for some side effects like estrogen???

By biatch ( - 161.184.50.78) on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 09:52 am: Edit

don't take steroids biatch

By Anonymous ( - 216.56.13.162) on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 07:55 pm: Edit

Im not on roids man, just andro like I said.

By BiG RED ( - 208.28.186.49) on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 09:21 pm: Edit

well then get off the andro, its obviously a side effect of the andro due to too much aromatization. If you already have tits, its because your body is very sensitive to estrogen, andro will just add insult to injury. Your best bet is to drop the andro, the tits will never go away (except with sugery)
Br

By Anonymous ( - 216.56.13.162) on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 09:44 pm: Edit

Ive only been on it for 4 weeks now? Could they actually get bad in 4 weeks? I dont even think there bitch tits, just that my pecs are getting stronger???

By Renato ( - 168.234.135.9) on Saturday, January 06, 2001 - 02:08 am: Edit

try taking some chrysine. Check out the www.pinnaclebody.com the page of the makers of andro poppers they have a product named chrysinex or something, which inhibits the aromatization i.e. the conversion of testosterone (the male hormone) into strogens (the gals hormone) the main cause of the so called bitch tits, zits and hair loss.
hope this can help.

By onetop2more ( - 198.142.211.3) on Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 07:35 am: Edit

Its too late theres no help for u .
Put on a dress and call urself holly.

By Anonymous ( - 207.172.83.153) on Monday, January 08, 2001 - 02:39 am: Edit

you have tits?? COOL..... you should be happy!!!!!!

By A ( - 194.36.152.252) on Monday, January 08, 2001 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Big red, u are wrond. The tits can go away.

There are peopke that suffer from this without supps.

Just go off the supps, onto a balanced diet, and do a lot of cardio,
Swimming is good.
And lots of pushups. Loads,

No problemo, its just a different sort of exercise than that of bulking.

By mike on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 05:54 am: Edit

OK....gyno sucks. Try some flax seed oil, will brink swears by it and so do I. It should help the swelling go down. Keep a low body fat % too..that helps inhibit estrogen conversion and swelling. inidol-3-carbinol works wonders but tought to find. Chrysin is OK but not the end all cure like I3C TRy CLOMITROL from eclipse 2000 order it here...... boosted test levels and lower estrogen levels will cure it if it is not too late... once gyno hardens in yuor a goner! ALso try to suck the water from underneath your skin on days where you go to beach or pool party or whatever... it will make in almost unoticable...use taraxatone from AST or dandelion root caps from GNC store.....Hope that helps..e mail me with anymore questions

By PROFESSIONAL TRAINER (63.61.227.81) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 03:50 am: Edit

HEY IF YOU HAVE BITCH TITS COME OFF WHAT EVER YOU ARE USING AND EAT A BALANCE DIET...STOP PUTTING SUPPLEMENTS IN YOUR BODY THAT DONT DO ANYTHING FOR YOU....NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF SUPPLEMENTS WORKED THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE AROUND!!!!

By DeNiro on Acid (63.22.12.130) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 07:06 am: Edit

So now are you trying to say that eating a balanced diet will correct gynecomastia? Is that what they're teaching you guys?

Oh and let me guess, you aren't a fan of the supplements. Well according to your own words in the other posts a person would NEED supplements to offset the problems your diet is creating. Let me explain.


Your macronutrient ratio (carbs, fats and proteins) is nothing to boast about. High carbohydrate intake in this country is the reason why the U.S. is number one in the world in obesity and adult onset diabetes. Your diet is no different than that of the average adult in this country who consumes low protein, high fat and high carbs. So even if you think you're onto something brilliant...you aren't! You're just eating a bad diet and exercising. If someone were to follow your diet plan they would HAVE to supplement with something to overcome the insulin highs and lows!

Also, you are clearly ignoring the scientific evidence that whey protein intake is of great benefit...both directly (bioavailability and absorption) and indirectly (glutathione precursors). Have you totally ignored the studies that show that rats fed supplemental whey protein tend to live longer? Oh and if supplements do not help people, then how can you explain that NAC is used in emergency rooms as the only antidote successful in stopping (possibly reversing) liver damage in tylenol overdoses? Also, Alpha Lipoic Acid is the only antidote to ingestion of a certain poisonous plants. Hey what about glutamine which studies have shown to be an excellent immune enhancer?

If supplements do not do anyone any good, then I urge you to contact a local endocrinologist and ask him or her to elaborate on the falling testosterone levels in men in this country. That alone would justify perhaps looking at ZMA (or something relative) just to appease skepticism.

Oh and to bring things a little closer to home...how much did you say you weighed? 185 and ripped? Yeah, I remember eighth grade well too. Get with the program and you might be able to build up your body to more respectable levels. So not only should you read more about what supplements might do you some good, but you need to radically change your diet...unless you enjoy being below average size for a weight room member.

By Jason (203.76.17.27) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 07:50 am: Edit

Can I play with them?

By fitnessman HH (131.123.27.67) on Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 10:57 pm: Edit

He, he, good one Deniro.

By fitforlife HH (64.217.135.115) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 12:48 am: Edit

Well, 1992 (Drugs Exp. Clin Ress.) L-carnitine for cardiovascular health.

Also a couple of glutamine researches, and creatine studies for preventing concusions.

I wanted to throw these in on top of Deniros

By bronxbomber (208.33.22.70) on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 01:08 am: Edit

i would have liked to have responded to this post too but deniro and fitforlife beat me to it.damn im losing my quickness.

By anonimus (208.60.204.159) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 04:24 am: Edit

hey deniro, good one, taking into account that you are on acid/
is there any side effects taking andro and acids??
jaja

By Anonymous (64.252.216.237) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:45 am: Edit

buy a product called indoplex it is a stable i-3-c and patetedby bioresponse thier number is 303-447-3841 its aroud 30 bucks it was tested for cancer tumor and reduced the conversion of bad estrogen causing tumor growthj. g ive it a shot and let us know your results.

By TomS (24.30.131.138) on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:57 pm: Edit

You may not even be getting bitch tits, 4 weeks is pretty early unless you are extrmely sensitive to this condition. You may just be a little bit too fat. If you are developing bitch tits,here are several stages in the development of them, if you catch it very early it will go away. The first stage is itchiness and swelling around the nipples, if you notice this symptom; get off whatever is causing the condition (in this case andro). Take an estrogen inhibitor and maybe lower your bodyfat % as well through dieting.you should be fine if you caught it early. After a while the swollen breast area hardens and at that point I believe it is permanent unless you have surgery.

By Jibby Tubs (63.99.29.55) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 10:58 pm: Edit

Banana peels man, rum em' on your mams nightly and after about a month or so they're tight as shite.

Good luck with all of that.

By Anonymous (64.0.99.137) on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 04:21 am: Edit

dude are you serious about banana peels?

By Anonymous (24.28.111.207) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 02:01 am: Edit

Lyposuction would fix it, but I would get off the Andro too.

By Anonymous (66.30.132.192) on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 07:36 pm: Edit

Hey--DeNiro on Acid...(can I call ya DOA
for short)..........I agree with you
that it's not healthy to be spiking insulin
all day and eating excess carbs and all that..
But all he said was "eat a balanced diet"...
A healthy balanced diet is gonna have most
of it's carbs comin from complex sources
(oats/yams/fruits/vegs). What's wrong
with that??????

By pablo (216.120.0.200) on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 02:06 am: Edit

you dont have to quit the drugs to avoid the tits. Ergopharms new 1-ad andro does not have quite the aromitization of other andros. Stop using 4/5-diols, still use 19-nor-diol (not so bad conversion rates) and use the 1-andro-diol and you have a pretty good stack.

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.38) on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 04:56 am: Edit

Nor-diol does not have that much less estrogen than 4AD. 5AD is an estrogen agonist, so you need to stay away from that. But for the record, 1AD does not convert to estrogen AT ALL, neither does 5AA. On the other hand I need mention that the first corroborated case of gyno with prohormones needs to be established. Unless you take megadoses of androstendione stacked with 5AD, you probably couldn't get gyno if you wanted.