What is the most economical Protein powder the most for the buck I have noticed is Big Whey 5lbs for 30 bucks. any other ideas? I am also new to this bodybuilding stuff so is there much difference between brands.

By Krusher on Tuesday, November 23, 1999 - 10:58 am: Edit

Hi to answer your question protien powder. There all good 1 is usually not better than the anothers,unless you are allergic to certain types of lactose. I was only taking 2 scoops a days and wasnt taking the right amount. 1 gram for ever pound you weigh is what every one recomends. 1 scoop for me is 25 grams so I have to take like 10 scoops, so I take 5 in the mid day after workout {of course} and later in the evening I take another 5 scoops. Since then taking 1 gram for every pound I have gained 5 pounds in less than a month, but I work out every day - the weekends. Some say to take it on your off days as well, but I dont I want to give my body/liver a rest after 5 days of heavy lifting. btw try taking the protien with some enzimes none allergenic.There like you normal stomach enzimes that help you digest all that you eat and cant hurt you. That will help digest/obsorb all the protien without the stomach uncomfort. Its hard to digest protien so shake it well and take 1 enzime or eat then take the protien well I gtg hope that helps cya.

By Mojo on Wednesday, December 15, 1999 - 10:34 pm: Edit

Hey,
Ok some quick protein ???'s.
1) take protein right after a workout?
2) do you guys use the protein bars? if so what kind kicks ass?
3) do you prefer the shakes over the bars?
4) do you think its a good idea to drink creatine in your water WHILE you work out? or right after? or before?
laters, and thanks.
Mojo

By justin bed on Thursday, December 16, 1999 - 12:27 am: Edit

eat protein all day every day breakfast lunch dinner midnight munchie. protein is the key to all bigness.
Met-Rx's ketpro and pure protein bars are pretty nice both have over 30g/
I eat them both, they all taste pretty shitty, but its worth it
Creatine should be taken before and after.

By Krusher on Thursday, December 16, 1999 - 12:56 am: Edit

I take 5 scoops of Whey protien with lunch and 5 scoops with dinner w/enzime. With the Creatine mix in hot water, it never disolves in cold no matter how long you shake it, but it will disolve in hot for better absobtion after workout.

By Tintin on Saturday, February 05, 2000 - 03:23 am: Edit

Ok, I have a serious question for all you bodybuilders, no bullshit please, anyways, ok here it is, I want to take a fat burner, like thermo lean or nsomething like it, to lose some extra fat BUT I'm also on like whey protein, will this •••• things up? I wanna keep gainning muscle but get rid of my gutt.

To Cassanova or any of the other smart guys...

By _jason on Saturday, February 05, 2000 - 05:24 am: Edit

Nope it won't screw it up at all... Protein isn't fat... therefor you lose fat and gain muscle (hence what all bodybuilders must do)

By chiro on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 02:02 am: Edit

If you take in too much protein, your body will convert the excess to fat. Extra protein is ultimately converted to help form glucose and glycogen, which if not used will go through the same metabolism as carbs and fats, which means you add fat to your body(Guyton, Medical Physiology, 8th ed p.768)
I also wouldn't take protein just before you go to sleep, otherwise your body might store it as fat, since metabolism is lowest during sleep. While we may not store protein quite as much as we would fats or carbs, you don't want to store a single ounce of fat when you're trying to lose fat. The exception to this rule is that you can take certain amino acids (branched chain aminos) just before bedtime and they will help your body release natural growth hormone to help your muscles grow and your body to recuperate from your workouts. They don't contain many calories and thus wouldn't be stored for fat to any real degree even if your muscles didn't use them. It's a win-win situation. (Plus, taking amino acids a little while after dinner helps to curb appetite so that you don't tank up on calories before bed).
As far as building muscle and cutting fat at the same time TinTin, while some people might say that's not realistic, many people are doing just that. I've found that by eating fruits only at breakfast and lunch, I'm cutting more fat weight without having to work out harder or cut calories. And at the same time, because I'm working out hard, getting plenty of rest and drinking plenty of water, my muscles are growing just as much as ever.
Basically, you want to limit your sugar intake especially late in the day. You might want to find a low carb protein shake to drink as that's another way of cutting back on sugar intake.
If you're like many of us who tend to have a genetic tendency for love handles, try doing some exercises to build up your lats---chin ups, one arm rows, etc. so that your waist looks somewhat smaller as the "V shape" of your lattisimus muscle increases.
Hope that helps!

By Anonymous on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 04:05 am: Edit

Chiro, what do you think of Nitrotech?
Thanks

By KockDiesel on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 07:50 am: Edit

Chrio,

You are right on the most part, good post, but I would just like to add a little, not a flame, but just an an addition.

I just dont want people to think what you said is true in all cases about extra protein and that it makes you fat. For people who use steroids that increases protein utilization, such as deca, no protein will be converted to fat, but it will be used. Thats basicly why steroids work for humans.
Protein before bed might be a good idea for everyone, even non-steroid users. Here is why: You want a constant supply of protein for your body right? so If you get good sleep, and sleep 8-10hours, you body has no protein to work with during that long time. It is at sleep and rest where your muscles do repair and you really grow. Lifting weights stimulates the muscles, and rest makes them grow stronger. At sleep is when you rest the hardest and your body will make the majority of its "repairs" (REM portion of sleep I believe) So, I highly recomend a low carb, low fat, low sugar protein supplement before bed. I myself use an isopure right before bed, and If I wake during the night, will through down a few scoops of designer.

Chrio, that was good info bro. I take it that no one on this thread is jucing right now, so what you said does apply to them. I just wanted to state this incase any one researching or wondering about steroids and protein can see this.

Stay safe Bros!
-KD

By JUMBO ( - 208.33.22.45) on Tuesday, June 06, 2000 - 05:44 am: Edit

EAS Myoplex Deluxe Bars are the best bars in the world! they taste like candy bars. Plus they are loaded with carbs, and calories. As for Nitro Tech,.. well tomorrow ill buy it for Gold Tuesday at GNC...

By PZA ( - 208.3.198.153) on Tuesday, June 06, 2000 - 11:02 am: Edit

i agree with kockdiesel i take protien before bed and sometimes when i wake up in the night to piss ill drink a whey shake and then go back to bed,and no im not fat.as fornew protiens ive been taking methoxy-pro for almost 6 days now,i know its to early to tell if its doing anything but it does taste good and ive had success with some of there other products(zmass,cytodyne)as for taste its right up there with met-rx protien plus.but for the claims they make on this producte anything like what there talking about,but then again i take all supplement companies claims with a grain of salt.also most people don't realize that if your body is low on just one essential nutrient(all vitamins and minerals also fatty acids)that your bodies already set up for a loss.you cant expect a protien powder to work right if your body is getting the essentials.

By Anonymous ( - 208.137.0.226) on Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 08:54 pm: Edit

Greetings- I need some suggestions, every time I try to do a "cutting" phase I always end up feeling like SHIT!! I feel fine for the first couple of weeks of cutting back on my carb's and incresing my protien. But, I get to a point were I just feel terrible,(no energy, pissed-off, and unable to think clearly.) When I get to this point, I don't want to do my cardio at all.

What am I dong wrong?

By John ( - 195.97.119.235) on Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:01 pm: Edit

Where you lack anon, is in mind power. No one feels "happy" when he is in a cutting phase, but the only thing you can do is to think for each day seperately. le on Monday you will think only of your weight training, cardio and nutrition that has to do on that day. lt is very easy to get frustrated if you start thinking how your diet will be next week, (or next month). And also its even better to split it even more. lf when you wake up you are thinking "another day in hell", you will have much less self confidence, than if you say "now its cardio-now its breakfast-now its weight lifting" and so on. You have to be always full of confidence. l know its not easy done of what l am saying and its very boring (especially in cutting phase, to eat almost the same non fat non tasty foods again and again), but its always what l am trying to think when l am in the last few weeks of the cutting phase.
Also don't forget to cut your carbs progresively. Don't go ie from 200gr of carbs per day to 100gr, thats too much and your body is having a very hard time, trying to get adapted. Remember always to go step by step, because your brain is having a very hard time (since it needs glucose for the proper functions, and it can get it only from carbs), and when it sees it very limited, heavy depression starts exist.

By greg ( - 208.28.61.223) on Saturday, August 26, 2000 - 10:00 am: Edit

Hello, I was just wondering how soon after I should take my protein after my workout? What and when should I eat after a workout? Thanks

By John ( - 194.30.248.176) on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 10:02 am: Edit

Take your protein powder immediately after your workout. Shoot for 0.25gr of protein for every pound that you weight, and for 0.5gr of carbs, keeping your fat consumption, no more than 5-6gr totally. (ie if you weight 200pounds, your protein shake should be consisted of 50gr of protein and 100gr of carbs, with your fat being around 5-6gr).

By greg ( - 208.28.61.234) on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 09:41 am: Edit

john or anyone else, is that my meal you are talking about that should consist of this protein/carb/fat ratio, or my protein powder? Also, i know to take teh protein powder directlt after working out, but how long after should I eat? And i know this isnt the right post for this, but when shoudl my creatine be taken too? Thanks

By John ( - 194.30.248.253) on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 10:31 am: Edit

l was taking about your protein powder greg.
So after your post workout meal that should always be a good whey protein, eat a REGULAR meal 90-120 min later. (Scientific researches have shown that amino acid transport and uptake into the muscle cell is 300% greater during the 3 hour post-exercise period, than during the recovery period outside of this important window).
About creatine, at your training days take 5gr immediately after your weight training, and at your non training days, 2.5gr (half a tea spoon), first thing in the morning and the rest 2.5gr last thing before you go to sleep.

By zach ( - 172.144.181.138) on Wednesday, August 30, 2000 - 03:49 am: Edit

I was wondering if someone could steer me in the right direction. I'm looking to get a new protein powder but I am torn between two of them. I like both VP2 and Designer Protein. Both are different in many respects and both have their own strengths. Opinions would really help. Thanks a lot.

By greg ( - 208.28.60.76) on Wednesday, August 30, 2000 - 09:32 am: Edit

john, what should i mix my protein in with? Is milk fine or would it be better with juice? thanks

By John ( - 194.30.248.92) on Wednesday, August 30, 2000 - 10:15 am: Edit

Good question greg, personally l preffer to mix it with milk after my weight training cause l need more protein and carbs (milk is the only one that contains a good quantity of both), but before l go to sleep l mixing it with water cause l don't need unnecessary carbs at that time.
About fruit juices l am not a big fan of them but if you want to mix them with your protein is fine.

About zach, both of them are the "whey pioneers" for me, and the differences between them are almost not existing, but if you order from internet you get Designer for almost $7 cheaper (around $22 for Designer in contrast with $29 for VP2), so l think its a good (and more economic)idea to shoot for the first one.

By E. gertolearn ( - 62.6.148.141) on Wednesday, August 30, 2000 - 06:26 pm: Edit

I heard you need about 100g of carbs after your workout so the protein is not used to replace glycogen. Could someone tell me what they take directly after their workout to get enough carbs and protein, I dont think I can afford to drink a weight gainer like n large2 after every training session. P.S won't milk go off if i leave it in a locker at the gymwhile i excercise.

By John ( - 194.30.248.254) on Wednesday, August 30, 2000 - 11:41 pm: Edit

You need 0.75gr of carbs for every KILO that you weight (1 kilo=2.2pounds), and 0.45gr of protein for the same, (after your weight training). So make the right estimation, and find out how many carbs and protein you need.

By greg ( - 208.28.60.236) on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 01:08 am: Edit

Hello, I know I am supposed to take a protein drink after my workout. I was just wondering if it mattered if i took my creatine right before it? And why do I hafat wait about an hour before I eat a meal after I take my post-workout protein drink?
Thanks

By Anonymous ( - 206.173.216.121) on Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 03:22 am: Edit

I have a question for someone with the information to answer it. I am currently on the Body for life program, and I was told to buy myoplex powder for protien shakes. Well I bought it but I cannot stand the texture of it.Is there anyway I could take a supplement in a pill and get the same amounts of nutrients. Please answer if you know the information. Thanks for the help.

By fitforlife ( - 208.190.252.230) on Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 03:53 am: Edit

What you can do, is get a good Multivitamin/Mineral, and then buy there precision protein. Now the only other thing is, the MRP'S have Carbs in them. I that isn't a problem, Ditch it, and buy a protein powder instead, and do something like this

Meal 1
Protein Shake 2 scoops 40g
Meal 3
Protein Shake 2 scoops 40g
Meal 4
Protein Shake 2 scoops 40g

Something like this will work, along with a Multi vitamin and Mineral. And you should be able to get all your Carbs from your 3 real meals, and also extra protein from milk, eggs, etc..

I am with you, I know some people hate how thick those shakes are, especially people who have never tried them. They are like cake batter. Yuck!!

Or, buy another kind of MRP, but if you have to use the EAS products, I suggest the protein.

By John ( - 212.120.195.56) on Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 03:55 am: Edit

Sorry anon, but no one "pill" can give you 42gr of protein, and all the other important amino acids, vitamins and minerals that you need.
lf you don't like the test buy some other protein powder that tastes much better, having exactly the same ingredients like "Myoplex" (or even bettter), such as Labrada's "Lean Body".

By Byron Hundt on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 07:18 pm: Edit

Does anyone have any insight on Cytodyne Methoxy-Pro?? I just want to know if it's all what its worked up to be?
What other Protein Powders do you recomend?

Thanks

By johnnyboo ( - 204.101.84.207) on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 11:10 pm: Edit

Listen to John - Anon and try Labrada's "lean Body" its simply one of the best if not the best
meal replacement going. As for a protein pills
as another means for a supplement I DON'T THINK SO you'd probably have to swallow a whole bottle everyday to get same amount of protein and nutrients that you would get in a good meal replacement and it would be to costly and inconvenient. Another good meal replacement supplement you could also try is Phil Kaplans EAT.

By fitforlife ( - 64.123.118.98) on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 01:21 am: Edit

Hey, just some info on Biotest man, they just got bashed big time. Check it out.

http://www.ironmag.com/editor.html

By Dorian ( - 38.26.141.136) on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 04:25 am: Edit

Ok everyone, listen up! something must be true about what ironmag is saying, I treid to post a question T-magon forum and asked what was this all about and if there would be a recant. My message got rejected! That does not make me very happy about this. I think if they wanted to make known what was the problem they would have posted my question and then answered, they did not. I think I will start to rethink about biotest.Thanks fitforlife, Dorian

By Akicita ( - 209.125.52.152) on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 08:39 pm: Edit

[Long, but complete]

Okay, let's consider this. Biotest is accused of printing a letter that rips other supps companies, which was written by one of its own distributers. Does anyone have the intellect to actually think this through? Of COURSE someone who dislikes other supps is going to prefer Biotest! Ironmag is acting like it's some duplicity or fraud that someone who openly dislikes other companies and favors Biotest actually selects Biotest products for their business. That's as silly as saying, "Ironmag is busted! They printed an anti-Tmag editorial when--surprise!--they're clearly biased in favor of Ironmag!" There's nothing at all wrong with having an opinion and acting on it. If I were a supps distributer, I'd probably favor Biotest too, because I like them best. And for me to say so would hardly be a scandal--it's obvious!

The real argument shouldn't be whether so-and-so who wrote a complaint letter is really a Biotest distributer, but whether the complaints are actually true--and Ironmag doesn't attempt to tackle that one.

Biotest is a small company, but it's also the fastest-growing supp company on the planet.

Ironmag is chastizing Biotest to "grow up" and act mature--but this scolding comes at the end of a rather playground-ish rant about Biotest's staff, taking swipes at them personally. All this after making the boyscout assurance, "we try to stay out of this business." Yeah, it's so evident. That's why they give a link and encouragement to fill out an FTC complaint against Biotest, which hasn't done a thing that's unethical, except piss off competitors--what else is new in the industry?

Did anyone bother to check? www.charlespoliquin.com is an empty website. No bashing as described, nothing at all.

Ian King not having balls? Ian King can be accused of lots of things, but lacking guts is not one of them. King is easily one of the more respected training coaches around. Even people who hate T-mag salute King. Remember, King is a contacted contributer, not an employee. He also trains olympic athletes, professional teams, and write for many other journals (Men's Health is publishing 8 months' worth of King's articles, and their fitness editors resoundingly like King's work).

I'll tell you what--T-mag may be offensive and petulent at times, and even offends me. And frankly, I *would* like to see actual prohots of the crew instead of just the drawings (T-mag is having a Florida convention this year, so it's not like they're hiding from the public or anything, though; I'd just like to see for myself). But for training and nutrition information, T-mag is almost unparalleled, and Ian King's routines are astoundingly good. I don't know all of Biotest's products (I'm not sold on ZMA or tribulus), but Androsol, MD6 and Grow have been blockbusters for me. Spare me the journal papers--they're interesting, but they're not me. My experience has been good, and I think Biotest delivers.

As for the forum message being rejected, that does trouble me. I've had messages rejected, too, and it bothers me that T-mag won't post critical comments for discussion. But remember that theirs is a forum for all readers, so if you want a more direct answer representing Biotest officially I'd suggest emailing Tim himself and asking politely, "would you respond to Ironmag's article?" I'd bet he would, since Tim doesn't tend to shy away from that kind of melee.

By fitforlife ( - 64.123.119.45) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 12:41 am: Edit

You know what?? this Troubles me too. This is another article. Maybe the one you read, maybe not.

WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE!

We’re looking for recent photos of the T-Mag crew, specifically “Tiny” Tim Patterson and “Truly Huge” TC Luoma. You would think that Tim and TC would be easy to spot, as they should both be around 350 lbs of shredded muscle by now after the great gains they’ve both experienced from using Biotest products. Unfortunately, getting photos of Tim and TC has proved harder than capturing the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot on film. At least I’ve seen a few photos of the latter two.

For anyone brave enough to venture into the T-Mag lair in Colorado Springs, CO, to capture photographic evidence of the existence of these two monsters, we’re offering a hefty award. A years supply of Syntrax supplements if you can capture both of these behemoths on film, or 6 months per head. Photos have to be recent, and will have to capture the awesome physical development of both of these two genetic anomalies. Let the hunt begin!

It looks like something is going on. I don't know. My opinion is that something is shady, and not right. I mean usually supplement companies don't get bashed like this all of the time. You have to ask your self why the crap on Biotest??

By fitforlife ( - 64.123.119.45) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 12:42 am: Edit

You know what?? this Troubles me too. This is another article. Maybe the one you read, maybe not.

WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE!

We’re looking for recent photos of the T-Mag crew, specifically “Tiny” Tim Patterson and “Truly Huge” TC Luoma. You would think that Tim and TC would be easy to spot, as they should both be around 350 lbs of shredded muscle by now after the great gains they’ve both experienced from using Biotest products. Unfortunately, getting photos of Tim and TC has proved harder than capturing the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot on film. At least I’ve seen a few photos of the latter two.

For anyone brave enough to venture into the T-Mag lair in Colorado Springs, CO, to capture photographic evidence of the existence of these two monsters, we’re offering a hefty award. A years supply of Syntrax supplements if you can capture both of these behemoths on film, or 6 months per head. Photos have to be recent, and will have to capture the awesome physical development of both of these two genetic anomalies. Let the hunt begin!

It looks like something is going on. I don't know. My opinion is that something is shady, and not right. I mean usually supplement companies don't get bashed like this all of the time. You have to ask your self why the crap on Biotest??

By Dorian ( - 38.26.142.237) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 01:04 am: Edit

Akicita, I have been a supporter of biotest and t-mag since the beginning. I feel that Ian is the best , I think polquin was best for what he did, which was strenght. I use there supplements, I will tell others to use their supplements. I understand that as one grows others try to bash them intoi the ground to rid themselves of competition. But when I can't even get an answer from these guys about this article(yes I even e-mailed tim personaly, I still have his e-mail adress), I have to wonder. Some of the stuff they talked of in my eyes seemed true. They are treating charles differently, and idolizing Ian. If you look at this article with an unbiased mind you will see many truths in this article. I wil say something must be up with biotest,I maen what is the problem about printing a question asking what this was all about? many people will read this and it would not be wrong to put an answer on the forum. As much as I hate BB.com They at least publish everything. Do I hate T-mag no I still look forward to evrything they print and have to offer. But I will look at them a little more with a different point of veiw. And if this is not acceptable to you then I am sorry, but I think many people are going to take an atitude with this article as we see in this thread right now. I have to try , at this point to see a different picture than what my mind is saying. I am thinking oh noooo another mm2k, with old slick bill. This is the same crap that sarted happening with them years ago when I was a devoted reader and follower. When you see ythsi stuff it makes you wonder if these guys will sell out. Dorian

By Anonymous ( - 209.146.95.73) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 01:14 am: Edit

Akicita...you defend Biotest like you work for or have some special interest in Biotest. You speak of "Ian King" like he is your personal God or girlfriend. You refer to "Tim" as he is your boss or coworker. Your "opinion" leaves question as to who you are behind the name. Why do you care so much about Biotest?

By fitforlife ( - 64.123.119.45) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 02:02 am: Edit

I am not trying to start an argument against people, I just thought some would like the info.

I mean as a retailer, what am I supposed to think when I see this stuff??

Ok, now I know about the issue with Bill, and his HMB being like Deca, but that was a long time ago.

Hey, I even used the isometric arm training by Charles, but that is different than the company.

I know you can't please every one. I mean look at MMUSA. Talk about bogus stuff, and yes, I carry it, but customers want it, and ask for it.

I actually sell more of the other brand because it is $20 cheaper than MMUSA, and what's sad is it is made up of the EXACT same stuff. All consumers are doing is dishing out an extra $20 to have the MMUSA label on the damn bottle.

My point being, you can never tell who to trust, and there will always be two sides to the story, and the supp industry is full of crazy shit.

Heck, I can tell you EAS stuff isn't the best stuff on the market, and it is over priced.
But if I don't carry it, I might as well close my doors, and sell the business. Sometimes we have to do things whether we like it or not. Now, if Biotest sold like crazy, or people asked for it I might carry it, or might not.

I am the type of person who doesn't jump at the firtst new product on the market. Especially when you have to deal with the companies. EAS is GREAT with retailers, and help so much, but Muscle Tech on the other hand, NOTHING. I try to go for the whole picture when picking up a new supplement line, not just the product, but service, and the type of people and help I get. I tried to talk to AST when I had a grand opening, and I didn't get a response, no samples, brochures, or anything they might have good products, but If they don't help me, I won't carry their products.. I can tell you Met-Rx, and Muscle Tech will be my next 2 lines to get rid of. Met-Rx is already discounted so I can carry a new line.

This is just where I am coming from........

By Dorian ( - 38.38.54.184) on Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 06:07 am: Edit

Theres alot more than the hmb stuff. It goes into a lot of detail and sometime I will e-mail this to you. I don't blame you for carrying the popular stuff, this is a good bussiness practice.I apreciate the fact that you gave this info, opened up some eyes on my side a bit.So I know where you are coming from.....Dorian

By Akicita ( - 209.125.52.152) on Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 12:14 am: Edit

Ian King is my god, at least in the gym. I've found his routines to be probably the most helpful of any I've tried, and I've used his stuff both from T-mag and form Men's Health. And I reject your comment about the way I refer to Tim, which implies something no more correct than the snotty inclusion of the word "girlfriend" in the former example.

So maybe someone thinks I'm a Biotest shill? Sorry, but Biotest doesn't hire guys like me who've only been training for over a year. And the whole story is that I've very openly ripped up Biotest in the past for other complaints, but the reason I'm won over now is that they responded to me in a very courteous manner. So if I need to balance my defenses with some criticism to make my identity seem more "authentic", then I will: I think ZMA is a poor supplement that Biotest fell for. I think liquid creatine is impossible, and I frankly don't believe Biotest's assurances that they're developed the "only" stable serum. And I've often said that I share the criticism that Biotest relies on anecdotal customer comments as evidence, with scarcely a journal test to be found. That's why I'm having my own saliva tests for free Testosterone done pre- and during Anrdosol.

Biotest is still a supp company and they have to use industry methods of hype and indulgence to promote their products, but other than ZMA and Ribose-C, I think Biotest's products are simply better. I defy anyone to try chocolate Grow and tell me it's poor.

I'm concerned that T-mag doesn't respond to critical inquiries, and I'm also as frustrated by the fact that the forum omits critics like Rush Limbaugh would. I seriously thought they'd respond, and I was wrong about that. I fault Biotest for it, but I still like their webmag and much of their product line.

By BIG J ( - 24.247.15.40) on Friday, February 09, 2001 - 08:01 am: Edit

I've been hearing a lot about protein powders in here. What about the tablet supplements? Which works better and what brands are the best?

By fitforlife ( - 216.236.20.57) on Friday, February 09, 2001 - 08:10 am: Edit

What do you mean by tablet form?? DO you mean protein in a pill?? If so, I hope you like swallowing a couple hundred capsules a day..

Just get a whey powder like one from EAS,or Prolabs pure whey, or if you have the $$, Isopures protein...

By Anonymous ( - 161.57.214.70) on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 10:31 pm: Edit

To tintin,

Taking fat burners while being on protein will not mess up your goal in loosing the gutt. Let me tell you what will though, a high sugar diet. When eating the right foods you should stay away from just fat-free. Fat-free means the fat gets cut but the sugar level is way higher in fat-free foods. In the aerobic respiration cycle of metabolism, sugars(glucose) create ATP(adenosine tri-phosphate) which when having too much in the body creates fat. Saturated fat that is. Try to focus on fat-free/sugar-free foods. Fat burners can only do so much, if you have a poor diet then its not even worth the time in using them.

By Anonymous (200.184.144.160) on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 03:30 am: Edit

whats the difference between designer and whey protein?

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.142) on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 07:16 am: Edit

There is none, designer is a brand.