Liquid Zero Carb Proteins
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Liquid Zero Carb Proteins
Hi,
Just got a few cases of the flavored liquid protein drinks, one buy Perfect, the other by Van Horn Technologies. Both are 22oz bottles and contain 40 grams of whey protein isolate and no carbs. I am using as a drink immediately after my workout and then using Promax for other times of the day. Have no drunken one yet but plan to here in a few minutes.
Anyone have any experience with these products and if so, how do you like them. They cost $55 for a case (20 bottles) and free shipping from Vitamin Planet Inc. Is there another place with a better price? I will let you know how they taste. I got a case of Carribean Cooler and Fruit Punch.
Would appreciate any input positive or negative on either or both of these products.
Thanks,
hut
l don't know Van Horn Technologies, but l can tell you for sure that "Zero Carb lsopure" liquid protein is great! Also you should eat some carbs after your workout because a protein/carbohydrate blend increases the rate of muscle-glycogen synthesis by 40% vs. protein alone.
Sounds great, but if you're avoiding carbs after a workout someone's given you bad advice...that's one of the two most important times to make SURE you get carbs--plenty of them. The other time is before a workout, if you're doing weights to gain muscle.
I am not trying to avoid carbs before or after a workout. What I am trying to avoid is SUGAR. Most sports drinks are nothing but sugar and that is what I try to avoid most. A lot of the protein powders contain sugar as well.
I do eat fruit after my workouts. I take a pre and post workout drink made by Vitamin Research that are supposed to help with endurance and recovery. The preworkout has a few carbs as does the post. The post workout has 3g of creatine also. I load on creatine once a month and then drink this after every weight training session. I got back into serious lifting in July weighing 300#. I still weigh 300# but have lost plenty of fat and dropped at least 2 pant sizes so something is happening.
If you all (or anyone else) can recommend a good drink that would give some carbs (but not sugar) for after a workout, I would defintely give it a try. I lift very early in the morning and find that the pre-workout drink seems to be enough to sustain me through my workouts (plus plenty of water).
As for the Van Horn, it has exactly the same ingredients at the Iso-Pure but has more choices on flavors. I drank a Caribean Cooler last night and I must admit, it did not taste too bad. It was ice cold and very refreshing. It is just so convenient. I can take it to the Y and keep it in their frig and then drink it nice and cold as soon as I finish. I can then get the rest through my food and powders. I may switch from Promax to Just Whey. They have a good deal on it here.
Thanks for responding. Anyone else please feel free to chime in.
hut
why not sugar? It's been advised routinely that sugar--particularly potent sugars like dextrose or maltodextrin--are perfect after a workout precisely because theyspike your insulin and drive the sugars into your cells. Fruits, Iv'e been told, is less preferable (I don't know the sciene of it, but there was something I read on this veyr board once about fruit and its relationship with ATP supply, which was unflattering to fruit. Anyone?)
I'd like to learn more about this if this advice has been wrong the whole time, evven though I was taught this stuff right here when I asked about it directly.
When I was saying sugars, I guess I was talking about sucrose from candy and such. Since it seems you need both carbs and protein, what is a good drink for post-workout? I would need something to go along with the protein. I do drink a preworkout drink that has 16 grams of carbohydrates for endurance but I alway thought that sports drinks like gatoraid and allsport were just wasted calories. I am trying to lose body fat as I replace it with muscle and don't want to consume too many empty calories in my diet.
So, what supplements contain dextrose and maltodextrin?? I will give them a try.
BTW Akicita, did you read about the mailing I am trying to start? I posted about it a few times here on some of the boards. Only have 3 members but if interested, drop me an e-mail. I would really like to get a lot of people signed up so we can get some good dialog going.
Thanks for the information,
hut
No, I didn't hear about the mailing. I'll contact you about it.
According to the fitness advisors at Menshealth.com and others here who have helped me, it's more imortant to have carbs than protein after a workout (2:1 ratio), and then the reverse--more protein than carbs--in the subsequent meal. Carbs like bananas, fruit jelly ceeal bars, white bread, dextrose, maltodextrin, etc. are excellent for post-workout to replentish muscle glycogen. Once this is done, consume more protein. That way the carbs provide the replacement energy so your body doesn't have to burn muscle or dietary protein, which allows the subsequent protein nitake to do what's intended: build and repair muscle. I buy dextrose in bags right at my health food store for about a dollar a pound, or you can use real grape juice (not the kind sweetened with apple juice).
i've tried every brand of creatine momohydrate and it seems that it does not agree with me.for s0me strange reason it gives me a real bad headache,i don't know why.i drink about a gallon of water a day,does anybody have an any idea why??
i have isopure and when i mix it the stuff leaves residue at the bottom of my glass i want to know if i should drink the stuff and if i'm missing protein if i'm not drinking it.
Man at the prices of these supplements, I suck every drop of stuff out of the glass. I would say add a bit of water, and drink as much of it as you can. You paid for it and you might as well drink it all.
hut
Please can someone tell me when to take creatine on both training and non training days and what to take it with (mixer0. Gratefl for any help
Sam
If you stop taking creatine will you lose size?
If you stop taking creatine you will lose the water weight that has been soaking your muscles. The major reason creatine works is because the water helps them recover faster. I've been told that the creatine effects can stay with you for up to a month, so don't take some time off after your cycle. Keep training and eating right. You should stay just as strong as you were on the creatine, only more cut. I personally like muscle-links effervescent creatine. I've tried most other companys products, and nothing amazing. I'm not saying this product is amazing, but it is the only supp that I will take anymore other than protein.
Mongo
Mongo, What kind of cycle should I do with creatine?
I was told that one month on/one month off type of deal was really effective.. I was told that if you stop taking creatine you'll lose size, and I just stopped about 2 weeks ago, im still wroking out hard.. And To be honest with you, I think I have lost some size, it may be a figure of my imagination, but im going to just hold out and see how this works.. Thanks for the info
Bad Boy Byron
Mongo, What kind of cycle should I do with creatine?
I was told that one month on/one month off type of deal was really effective.. I was told that if you stop taking creatine you'll lose size, and I just stopped about 2 weeks ago, im still wroking out hard.. And To be honest with you, I think I have lost some size, it may be a figure of my imagination, but im going to just hold out and see how this works.. Thanks for the info
Bad Boy Byron
Anyone have any comments on Creatine Monohydrate by Peak Nutrition. I've been taking it for about 4-5 weeks and have had some nice results. Gained 10-12 lbs and increased weights across the board. I'm basically new to the supplements and was just wondering if this particuliar product was better or worse than the others that are available. Thanks!
i just bought a batch of gnc's pro performance 100% pure creatine monohydrate. Was this a wise decision. Did i buy a quality product or not. Thank you.
I like Peak Nutrition's creatine. They're not widely known, but my strength coach back in the day got me using their creatine and I still use it, had great results.
i heard that once you start taking creatine then you have to keep taking it. Is that true? Will your muscle size decrease if you stop taking it?
you need to drink a lot of water when you take creatine - it dehydrates you, that might explain the headaches.
From what I hear from the right people, the best creatine product out there is Celltech. I've used different creatine products and received results, but after hearing what I have about Celltech, I'm extremely eager to try it.
Also, you should take creatine in a 12 week cycle, then come off it for a couple of weeks.
You'll lose a little size that was really the result of water retention. Then you can go back on it - you come off it so that you don't build an immunity to it, and to give your kidney's a break.
Remember to drink a lot of water when taking creatine so as not to become dehydrated.
SICA... I don't know about gnc's creatine
supplements. I don't think it's worth the extreme
cost. I get mine from BJ's wholesale, 1000 grams
for $30.00. Sounds unbelievable but it's true.
oh by the way, that 1000 grams is Met-Rx
micronized creatine also.
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME ALL THE MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS THAT EXIST IN THE GYMS.......
YOU CANNOT BE ON A LOW CARB/HIGH PROTEIN DIET IF YOU ARE TRYING TO INCREASE MUSCLE SIZE..THAT IS BASIC NUTRITION..
FORGET ALL THE FOOLISH SUPPLEMENTS THAT IS A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY AND LEARN ABOUT WHY CARBS ARE IMPORTANT, FATS SECONDLY, AND PROTEIN IN YOUR CASE THIRD..PROTEIN PLAYS A MORE IMPORTANT ROLE FOR ENDURANCE ATHLETES!!!!!!!!!!!!THE REASON FOR THIS CAN BE EXPLAINED EASILY..BUT THATS WHY I PAY TO GO TO SCHOOL TO STUDY, KINESIOLOGY, NUTRITION, AND PHYSIOLOGY..
Give me a ••••••• break and stay in school. I have so much proof that it works i am one and there are others. So peddle your bullshit elsewhere.You say protein is third, and carbs are first, so i guess carbs make muscle tissue? The way you talk you are saying protein is unimportant, is this what you are trying to say?
I also see the name is profeesional trainer, are you? we have no respect for trainers here. I am one and I don't even respect it.I hope you tell me you are ace certified. Get your shit straight before you go talking stuff. an dlet me tell you where the training for the kinesiology and physiology will take you. No where. times are changing and these courses don't, they stay the same, they are afraid of the new ideas and ways. So stay in school and keep talking intelligent shit just like you did, and you will go far. away from here I hope.
Dorian
we better listen to him hes a professional,professional bullshitter maybe but trainer i hope not.first of all anyone thats been lifting for any amount of time knows that protien and only protien builds muscle.true you need carbs and fats but protien is what actually repairs muscles.carbs are for energy and there protien sparring but theres no way in hell there more important then protien.and as for fat being more important then protien,where the hell did you got to school? and why are they still open.
Right and wrong. Correct: you need protein as a primary nutrient to build muscle. But without carbs, your body also has a tendency to consume incoming protein for energy at the same 4cal/gram that carbs offer. If you eat healthy carbs, however, those carbs can be used for primary energy which allows the incoming protein to be used for what it was intended: the repair and building of muscle, rather than burned for energy. And we all know that regardless of the energy found in fat, fat simply can't be burned efficiently enough to provide the needed fuel that carbs will provide to accomodate muscle development. So yeah, I gotta say--moderate carbs in the diet help with muscle-building far more easily than without it. Am I saying it's *impossible* otherwise? No, just easier and more logical. Let protein be used for muscle, not for dietary fuel!
WHY CARBS ARE IMPORTANT, FATS SECONDLY, AND PROTEIN IN YOUR CASE THIRD..PROTEIN PLAYS A MORE IMPORTANT ROLE FOR ENDURANCE ATHLETES!!!!!!!!!!!!THE REASON FOR THIS CAN BE EXPLAINED EASILY.
Well, hmm?? ALL are important, BUT things can be tweaked. See, I HATE LOW CARB DIETS, and most know this. Dorian 
Now, by low I mean 12g or less low. You can do a low carb diet bein 25,50,and even 75g. Since you are a CPT, etc. You should know that americans counsume twice the RDA. Whic is 50-100g. Most hit 300+. So a person that does 300, changing to 100 is low carb, or 150 down to 50 is low carb. I think you need to see HOW MUCH the person is normally consuming.
See, In a low carb case, PROTEIN will be more important then fats, fats will provide energy, but proteins are comprised of aminos. Now take out your text, and see what happens to protein when there are not a lot of carbs.
And yes, I agree that endurance athletes need protein. You didn't explain why, but I will.
RED BLOOD CELLS
I am tired of all this nutrition stuff, so I will give other people a chance, good luck.
How can you have a diet with 25-50g of carbs but still eat properly
Thats like 2 bannans and youre done
Yeah, but you can eat one can of green beans, a head of broccoli, spinach, and asparagus--and that's a ton of healthy green veggies, and still low-carb. You're still under 50 grams!