i'm going to buy a prohormone but i wanna know what kind of prohormone that does not give me gyno (with less side effects )

By Danny ( - 212.127.20.3) on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 10:51 pm: Edit

19-Nor and 4-Diol have the least side affects. I took this for a while no gyno ata ll but a few spots.

By Anonymous ( - 63.212.135.95) on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 12:29 am: Edit

danny thanks but can right the right name of these please for example 19-norandrostendiol

thanks

By Danny ( - 212.127.20.3) on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 12:43 am: Edit

Okay well first stay away from androstenedione as these are worst for estrogen. The two I meant are 19 Norandrostenedione and 4 androstenediol. These are generally accepted as the most anabolic prohormones and he least likely for side effects. AST sells both so that might be a good place to go. I have not tried their stuff but the are the best supplement company around. Oh and take them with grapefruit juice as this will help the absorption (400-900% apparently). Also dont bother with any estrogen blockers. If you look around some of the older message boards you will get the same recommendations and I made good gains with them. I am assuming you have nutrition sorted as you will be wasting money if you aren't getting enough carbs and protein at the same time. Good Luck

By Anonymous ( - 63.212.139.34) on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 01:16 am: Edit

danny what do you think about 19-nor-diol the one by prolab ?

also how many pounds have put using prohormones ?

By Anonymous ( - 63.212.139.34) on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 01:27 am: Edit

it is me again i forgot to ask you what is the best cycle and dosage ?

thanks man

By Big Cat on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 02:00 pm: Edit

CHill, for less side-effects stick with 19-Nor. The missing carbon-atom gives you only 20 percent of the chance on side-effects. I'm a big fan of Nor-diol, but i don't know if you should get involved in that liquid shit. If you can find a good one (it'll be expensive) its usually worth it. As for the others, AST is probably the only reputable company that sells these at a reasonable price, completely pure and in a high enough dose. But feel free to experiment , i'm just stating the facts. Diols are always stronger than diones (about 3 times stronger) And the non-Nor versions have a higher chance of side-effects. however if Gyno is your thing, no worries. I know of no substantiated case anywhere that says prohormones cause gyno. I can tell you that in high doses (1500 mg) of the andro versions you can get serious acne, but that's about it. It makes you a littel smooth too, so don't take it before a competition.

Take Nor 250 mg with breakfast and again with dinner, take 4- or 5-diol 250 mg 45 minutes prior to workout. Up the dose on Nors, its safe, don't exceed 500-750 on the andro's. Try to stay below 1500 mg total of prohormones to avoid side-effects.

By Anonymous (203.45.198.217) on Thursday, May 17, 2001 - 05:43 am: Edit

just a quick survey: who here is open with family members about their use of prohormone or AS?

By Anonymous (208.61.124.60) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Sorry but i am very new at this and i am not familiar with the term "gyno". What is it?

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.38) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 08:50 pm: Edit

gynocomastia, the growth of breast tissue in men as a result of a bad estrogen:testosterone balance. Since a number of steroids have a turnover to estrogen, as well as estrogen agonists like excess bodyfat and alcohol, this can occur leading to the feared gyno. Other terms are man-boobs and bitch tits.