what is a good stack to start with, with minimal side effects (acne, baldness), and is the animal reliable?

By roidhed (65.229.143.106) on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 07:56 am: Edit

I've been doing some research and My first cycle is going to look like this.
Deca - 200mg/week
Sustanon - 250mg/week
Then I'm going to get some Clomid to help keep some of my gains after I end my cycle and some Nolvadex in case I start having signs of gyno. What do you pros think? I know the dosages are low but I don't want to go overboard on my first cycle.

By mike (24.222.88.247) on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 06:47 pm: Edit

is that only 1 shot a week of each? and where do u get yur shit, e mail me.

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.134) on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 11:20 pm: Edit

yeah, if you can get your hands on US Deca, its only 2 shots a week. I like it. Not sure if Sustanon is good for anyone to start off on, or if you should even be stacking when you start out, but that would be my thing too. I thought of stacking it with Testoviron(Propionate) because of availability. Maybe Stromba. But I figured I'd start on just the Deca for a first cycle.

By BB (208.58.209.134) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 12:34 am: Edit

umm.......What are your stats, experience with training, goals ect....

I'd say that you'd get very good gains off that cycle but I would defentiley stick to with the Test/deca cycle. Gains will be much better than with just deca alone. In fact if you threw in some d-bol for the last 5 weeks of the cycle at 25-35 mg per day, you would blow the f*ck up.

I am assuming that this is a bulking cycle right? I think that is still a very safe cycle and since it is your first the gains will be crazy and with proper precautions you will keep almost all of your gains.

By BigJ HH (66.68.101.113) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:01 am: Edit

Cat if you go with just deca, you run the rest of deca dick, and the way you talk about your sex life, you might not want that. By stacking it with sust, you'll not only get better gains, but the increase in test will offset the deca dick.

Sust is good to start with because it takes the guess work out, its a self-tapering blend of four different esters, than if you just take a short acting ester like propiionate, which would require more shots.

Roidhed thats a good first cycle. I'm firmnly belive in small dosages because i feel you need to see what you're body is going to do, no need to go nuts on your first cycle. That cycle would only be one shot a week too, provided you have a 3cc syringe.

200 mgs of deca would only be 1 shot a week, provided it was in the general 100mgs/cc dosage.

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.134) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:07 am: Edit

oh yeah, sorry bout that,typo. testoviron is an enanthate, not a propionate. And its easier for me to get, since I can get it on prescription, but not Sust. Its almost the same, cept its only one ester, but its a once a week 250 mg depot. Its made by Schering here in Belgium so its a lot easier to acquire.

You mentioned the Deca 100, which is made in Holland. but last I heard its no longer available since a lot of people are now picking up the regular European 50's here in belgium.

Of course Deca-dick is a risk, but I really believe in starting out mild and seeing what you get out of something before you through in heavy aromatizing bulking agents such as testosterone esters.

By BigJ HH (66.68.101.113) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 02:53 am: Edit

Hmm I hadn't heard that. Are we talking abou the Organon Deca, made in Holland? It's a little bit harder to get here in the US, but much better quality wise. I've seen it floating around even recently.

By Big Cat HH (Bigcatmod) (213.224.83.150) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 03:02 am: Edit

yep, organon Holland is the only one that makes the Deca 100

By mike (24.222.88.247) on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 05:59 am: Edit

thanks for the ifo guys, really appreciate it!!if u have any other tips, please write them.