WINSTROL

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By BigVinceMOD (24.95.120.194) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 12:10 am: Edit

Pharmaceutical Name: Stanozolol

Brand Names and Countries of Origin:
Winstrol Depot 50 mg/ml; Zambon ES, I
Winstrol (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Winthrop GR
Strombaject (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Winthrop G. B
Stromba 50 mg/ml; Sterling Research GB
Stromba (o.c.) 50 mg/ml; Sterling-Winthrop S;
Winthrop S

Veterinary:
Winstrol V 50 mg/ml; Winthrop U.S.
Winstrol V 50 mg/ml; Upjohn U.S.

Substance: stanozolol -- tablets
Brand names:
Stromba (o.c.) 5 mg tab.; Winthrop CH, DK, NL, G. Sterling
Winthrop S. Sterling Research GB,Berger A
Stromba 5 mg tab.; Winthrop B
Stromba 5 mg tab.; Sterling-Health HU, CZ
Winstrol (o.c.) 2 mg tab.; Winthrop GR, PT
Winstrol 2 mg tab.; Winthrop Pharm. U.S., Upjohn
U.S., Zambon ES, I

Description: This very popular anabolic steroid is a derivative of DHT. This drug is primarily used as a cutting up drug by males and females. It's promotes protein anabolism and it's low on androgen. Winstrol is chemically identical in both oral and injectable form, therefore you can drink the injectable version and get the same results as if you injected it.

Effective Dose: Dosage: 2-30 mg/day for men; 4-8 mg for women. Athletes find that the injectable version is far superior to the oral. Dosages range from 3 to 5 ccs per week for men, 1 to 2 ccs in women.

Pharmaceutical Price: Although produced domestically, availability is poor in pharmacy.

Average Street Price: $200 per 30 cc vial; the oral costs around $30 for 100 tabs.

Cycles: Women cycle this steroid but occasionally it can cause virilization, even at low dosages. Users report that the muscle gains they make on Winstrol are solid; they are well retained after the drug use is discontinued.

Stacking: With Primobolan or Parabolan for cutting, With testosterone for size and strength gains.

Side Effects: It is a relatively low androgenic steroid which does not seem to aromatize. It can be toxic to the liver in excessive dosages. Very few users report water retention or any other side effects while using Winstrol.

Counterfeits: Winstrol is a popular counterfeit; the legitimate product is very hard to come by in the US. As a white powder settles in the vial’s bottom it is a distinctive item. Agitation of the legitimate substance takes longer for the particles to settle than with the counterfeits.

Effectiveness Rating: 8

By BigVinceMOD (24.95.120.194) on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 08:45 pm: Edit

WINSTROL DEPOT

Winstrol is a very effective steroid when used correctly. It is important to distinguish between the two different forms of administration of stanozolol, since the injectable Winstrol Depot is distinctly more effective than the oral Winstrol. Thus it is preferred by most athletes.

What is special about the injectable Winstrol Depot is that its substance is not as is common in almost all steroids-dissolved in oil it is dissolved in water. Although almost every steroid-experienced bodybuilder knows this difference, the practical application of this knowledge rarely occurs: the injection-free intervals of the compound Winstrol Depot must be distinctly shorter than with the other common steroids. Simplified, this means that Winstrol Depot 50 mg/ml must be injected much more frequently than the oil-dissolved steroids (e.g. Primobolan, Deca-Durabolin, Sustanon 250,Parabolan, etc.). The reason for this is the relative low half-life time of steroids. Those dissolved in water must be injected at least every second day, and best results are observed at a daily injection of 50 mg. The substance stanozolol is a precursor to the dihydrotestosterone and consequently, it prevents Winstrol Depot from aromatizing into estrogens with water retention occuring only rarely. Based on these characteristics the main application of Winstrol Depot is clearly defined in bodybuilding: preparation for a competition. Together with a calorie-reduced diet which is rich in protein Winstrol Depot gives the muscles a continuously harder appearance. Winstrol Depot is usually not used as the only steroid during dieting since, based on its low androgenic component, it does not reliably protect the athlete from losing muscle tissue. The missing, pronounced, androgenic effect is often balanced by a combined intake with Parabolan. The combination of Winstrol Depot 5O mg/day and Finaject 30 mg/day, until a few years ago, was THE competition stack. Since original Finaject has been phased out for years Parabolon has taken over its place. Depending on the athlete's performance level, the athlete usually takes 50 mg Winstrol Depot every l-2 days and Parabolan 76 mg/1.5 ml every 1-2 day. Although there is no scientific proof of a special combined action between Winstrol Depot and Parabolan, based on several practical examples, a synergetic effect seems likely. Other steroids which athletes successfully combine with Winstrol Depot during the preparalion for a competition include Masteron, Equipose, Halotestin, Anavar, Testoviron Depot, Primobolan Depot, and HGH.

Winstrol Depot, however, is not only especially suited during preparation for a competition but also in a gaining phase. Since it does not cause water retention rapid weight gains with Winstrol Depot are very rare. However a solid muscle gain and an overproportionally strong strength increase occur, usually remaining after use of the compound is discontinued. Bodybuilders who want to build up strength and mass often combine Winstrol Depot with Dianabol (D-bol), Anadrol, Testoviron Depot, or Deca Durabolin. With a stack of 100 mg Anadrol/day, 50 mg Winstrol Depot/day, and 400 mg Deca Durabolin/week the user slowly gets into the dosage range of ambitious competing athletes. Older athletes and steroid novices can achieve good progress with either Winstrol Depot/Deca Durabolin or Winstrol Depot/Primobolan Depot. They use quite a harmless stack which normally does not lead to noticeable side effects. This leaves steroid novices with enough room for the "harder" stuff which they do not yet need in this phase Winstrol Depot is mainly an anabolic steroid with a moderale, androgenic effect which, however can especially manifest itself in women dosing 50 mg/week and in men dosing higher quantities. Problems in female athletes usually occur when a quantity of 50 mg is injected twice weekly. The effect of Winstrol Depot decreases considerably after a few days and thus an injection at least twice weekly isjustitied. However, an undesired accumulation af androgens in the female urganism can occur, resulting in masculinization symptoms. Some deep female voices certainly originated with the intake of Winstrol Depot. However, a dose of 50 mg Winstrol Depot every second day in ambitious female athletes is the rule rather than the exception. Other non-androgenic side effects can occur in men as well as in women, manifesting themselves in headaches, cramps, changes in the HDL and LDL values, and in rare cases, in high blood pressure. Possible liver damage can be estimated as very low when Winstrol is injected; however in large doses an elevation in the liver values is possible.

Although there are many fakes of the injectable Winstrol, the original "Winny" as it is lovingly called by its users, is easily recognized based on its unusual form of administration. At a first glance the content of the ampule is only a milky, white, watery solution which, however has distinet characteristics. Original "Winny" is recognized because the substance separates from the watery injection fluid when the ampule is not shaken for some time. When the ampule is left flat in its ampule box or, for example, stands upright on a table, the substance accumulates as a distinctly visible white layer on the lower side of the glass and can only be mixed with the watery fluid if shaken several times or rolled forward and backward. An ampule containing 1 ml of suspension and its 50 mg dissolved stanozolol should normally separate a white layer in the size of almost a thumbnail. The athlete thus can easily determine whether his injectable Winstrol is actually stanozolol or is rather underdosed. Do not buy ampules or glass vials which contain more than 1 ml of suspension since an original injectable Winstrol is only available in one-milliliter glass ampules. The original Spanish ampules by Zambon have an unusually large round shape and a brown imprint. In the meantime there are several well-made fakes.

Since Winthrop Company discontinued the formerly well-distributed Strombaject, the international black steroid market carries the Spanish Winstrol Depot of Zambon Company almost exclusively. The price for a 50 mg Winstrol Depot ampule lies betwen $ 13 – 17 on the black market.

When injected daily Winstrol Depot can become a very expensive compound. It also has the disadvantage that, because of the frequent injections, the already-mentioned scar tissue will develop in the gluteal region (buttocks) which leads many athletes to inject Winstrol in their shoulders, arms, legs or even calms.

Although this was originally intended as an expedient, injecting Winstrol Depot into certain muscles has become increasingly popular since athletes have noticed that this leads to an accelerated growth of the affected muscle. An American pro bodybuilder who is known for his cross-striated, horseshoe-shaped triceps owes this in considerable part to his regular "triceps Winstrol-Depot injections." A confusion with the also often used Esiclene is excluded. Athletes who want to avoid daily injections usually take 2-3ml Winstrol Depot twice a week. In the U.S. injectable stanozolol is manufactured only for veterinary medicine. It is distributed under the name Winstrol V by Winthrop and Upjohn Companies Unfortunately there are several fakes of Winstrol Depot.

WINSTROL TABS

For a majority of its users Winstrol tablets are noticeably less effective than the injections. We are, however, unable to give you a logical explanation or scientific evidence for this fact. Since the tablets are l7-alpha alkylated it is extremely unlikely that during the first pass in the liver a part of the substance will be deactivated, so we can exclude this possibility. One of the reasons for the lowered effectiveness of the tablets, in our opinion, is that most athletes do not take a high enough quantity of Winstrol tablets. Considering the fact that the injectable Winstrol Depot is usually taken in a dosage of 50 mg/day or at least 50 mg every second day and when comparing this with the actual daily quantity of tablets taken by many athletes, our thesis is confirmed. Since, in the meantime, most athletes only get the 2 mg Winstrol tablets by Zambon one would have to take at least l2-25 lablets daily to obtain the quantity af the substance one receives when injecting. For two reasons, this, however, cannot be realized by must athletes. On the one hand, at a price of approximately $ 0.70 - $ 1 for one 2 mg tablet on the black market the cost for this compound is extremely high. On the other hand, after a longer intake such a high quantity of tablets can lead to gastrointestinal pain and an undesired increase in the liver values since the tablets -as already mentioned- are 17-alpha alkylated and thus are a considerable stress on the liver. Male athletes who have access to the injectable Winstrol Depot should therefore prefer this form of administration to the tablets. Women, however, often prefer the oral Winstrol This, by all means, makes sense since female athletes have a distinetly lower daily requirement of stanozolol, usually 10-16 mg/day. Thus the daily quantity of tablets is reduced to 5-8 so that gastrointestinal pain and inereased liver values occur very rarely. Another reason for the oral intake in women is that the dosage to be taken can be divided into equal doses. This has the advantage that unlike the 50 mg injections-it does not lead to a significant increase in the androgens and thus the androgenic-caused side effects (virilization symptoms) can be reduced. Athletes who have opted for the oral administration of Winstrol usually take their daily dose in two equal amounts mornings and evenings with some liquid during their meals. This assures a good absorption of the substance and, at the same time, minimizes possible gastrointestinal pain.


Stanozolol tablets are manufactured in the 5 mg version by only Winthrop Company in Belgium and by Sterling-Health in Hungary and in the Czech Republic. Even on the European black market these tablets are found only on rare occasions. Usually the Spanish Winstrol by Zambon show up. Their tablets are manufactured exclusively in push-through strips of ten or twenty pieces and can be easily identified since they are pink and inciented. The American Winstrol fablets by Winthrop and Upjohn also contain 2 mg stanozolol tablets; however, they are not in push-through strips but in glass vials.

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